Re: [Phpgroupware-users] hobby

[Dan Kuykendall]

You really do not understand Free Software/Open Source software at all.
Do you think the Linux kernel was started and written to be a business 
application?
Many who work on the kernel do as a hobby, including Linus up till very 
recently.

Linus has said may times that if the linux userbase went away, he would 
still continue working on the kernel because its fun to do.

Lets look at the GNU project. It was most certainly NOT started as a 
business solution. It was started as an alternative to closed source 
software that Stallman found offensive to his ideas of freedom.

Go look at freshmeat some time. There are litterally thousands of apps 
on there which are entirely hobby efforts, and some are actually pretty 
good.

What you quite seriously do not understand is that a userbase and 
business use is cool and is the focus of some, but not most of those who 
write free software.
What happens is that these lowly hobbist take pride in what they write, 
and they often write very nice code and nice apps,  which happen to be 
useful to other users and businesses. Then some people involved make the 
users and business the focus. But the hobbists remain and continue 
regardless of users, and they will have fun doing so.

One last note. Your attitude pretty much stinks. People have tried to 
help and you piss on them for not being able to explain simple things to 
an idot like yourself.
You obviously have your own issues to work out, so good luck with that.

I will continue working on phpGW for myself, for my own hobby and 
enjoyment and go back to ignoring fools like you.

Dan Kuykendall

Brian Connolly wrote:

> Dan,
>
> If there was a single email that could discredit all the efforts of those
> who've worked tirelessly to make this a business application... Dan you just
> wrote it.  If you guys cannot take yourself seriously, you cannot expect
> anyone else to.
>
> That's too bad.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Kuykendall [mailto:address@hidden 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:57 PM
> To: address@hidden; address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [Phpgroupware-users] open_basedir restriction
>
> Brian Connolly wrote:
>
>  
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> > Remember, without users, phpgw is only a hobby. 
> >
> >    
> You say that as a bad thing.
> When jengo and I started phpGW and laid out the entire infastructure we 
> did it completely as a hobby.
> Many of the initial development team worked on phpGW as a hobby, since 
> none of us were being paid for any phpGW work, and to this day very few 
> people involved make any money dev'ing it. In fact alot of the time 
> "users" simply get in the way of the fun.
>
> Of  course many involved are in fact focused on the user base, and 
> making money working on phpGW, and the project benefits from this group 
> as well. But dont go getting all pissy about the ***FREE*** help you are 
> offered, and try and insinuate that phpGW is only a hobby without you. 
> Because if thats the case, SO WHAT?
>
> Its nice that the world can benefit from what we started as a "hobby".
>
> Dan
>
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