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Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows
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David Conger |
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Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows |
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Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:47:37 -0700 |
"This is a linux autopilot, for linux people" :)
seriously that was a great answer.
-David
On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Gareth Roberts wrote:
> This is a linux autopilot, for linux people! There is nothing for you here!*
>
> But seriously, I heard rumors that a large institution was working on porting
> GCS to Windows a few years ago. Haven't heard anything since. It would be a
> big effort for not much gain though.
> It would be technically very challenging, and few people capable of doing it
> is probably quite happy with the linux or OSX ports already.
> The happykillmore GCS supports basic where is the plane/where is the ground
> functionality but has no waypoint, parameter altering or programming support.
>
> --G
>
> *
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/clips/p006vm6j/the_league_of_gentlemen_a_local_shop_for_local_people/
>
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:43:58 +0100, Chad Koehnen <address@hidden> wrote:
>
>> What is this Windows thing you speak of? :)
>>
>> On 10/12/2011 12:19 PM, Rui Costa wrote:
>>> What's the progress of the CGS for Windows?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Rui Costa
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 8:25 PM, David Conger <address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is the Paparazzi-devel Developer email list right?
>>>
>>> FWIW: Why doesn't MavLink simply integrate and work with IVY and
>>> require no changes from the Paparazzi side? Maybe that is what you
>>> propose as you are the lead developer?
>>>
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Meier Lorenz wrote:
>>>
>>> > Given that I'm the QGC main developer I'm clearly biased
>>> regarding it, so I won't give any advice on that - download it and
>>> try the simulation and see for yourself:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > https://github.com/mavlink/v10release/downloads
>>> > http://qgroundcontrol.org/dev/build_source
>>> >
>>> > Regarding MAVLink I have a stronger opinion, given that it has
>>> been adopted by quite a few projects I believe it is in a sweet
>>> spot between being relatively simple, yet powerful enough to cover
>>> most needs. We're working currently on a few high-level features
>>> like the mission library, but these are optional parts, the core
>>> protocol is pretty easy to adopt.
>>> >
>>> > With an aerial middleware (MAVConn), a ROS bridge and a Python
>>> interface and graphing tool (Andrew Tridgell's excellent
>>> pyMAVLink) it also has a reasonable Ecosystem beyond just the
>>> onboard C implementation and the available GCS.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Oct 6, 2011, at 6:38 PM, Rui Costa wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The best solution now will be to adapt the QGroundControl and
>>> MavLink, right?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cheers
>>> > Rui Costa
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Rui Costa
>>> <address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden>>> wrote:
>>> > Thnk you Lorenz for your great opinion. It's a good help.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I would like to improve the actual paparazzi GCS, but I don't
>>> know how to do it and don't understand the actual language.
>>> >
>>> > It would be nice to improve some things on the GCS. Is there
>>> anyone working on that? Maybe we can join a comission to see what
>>> can be improved and work together to archieve that.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cheers
>>> > Rui Costa
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Meier Lorenz
>>> <address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden>>> wrote:
>>> > One comment on that. I have an OpenPilot board sitting here and
>>> know the onboard and offboard codebase at least ok, if not well.
>>> Its a great project and I'm happily using it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > However: OpenPilot has a kind of "shared memory" architecture
>>> between GCS and autopilot.
>>> >
>>> > If you change an onboard data object in only one variable ->
>>> Complete re-build of the GCS
>>> >
>>> > This approach works nicely for OpenPilot. It is however about
>>> the worst-case for a multi-project use of the GCS, since it
>>> effectively forces you to use the very same data containers. And
>>> since the data containers are even used on the UI level, changing
>>> the protocol forces you to update the UI code.
>>> >
>>> > The difference between QGroundControl/MAVLink and OpenPilot is
>>> that MAVLink and QGC have one abstraction layer on each the
>>> autopilot and the GCS side. So the user interface can be changed
>>> without effects and the onboard code can be changed without
>>> side-effects. OpenPilot misses these layers in the onboard code
>>> and in the GCS.
>>> > So it is very elegant for a single project. But its the opposite
>>> of standardized communication - I've even added MAVLink support
>>> for the OP board I'm using for this reason.
>>> >
>>> > So don't take me wrong, nothing against OpenPilot, I'm happily
>>> running a board with OP on it and I'm partly using the GCS. But
>>> for a multi-project use, this is a dead end.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Please also note that the OP GCS has a weak mission support (I
>>> haven't seen a waypoint list at all so far), so I'm not sure how
>>> this will work out for the very advanced concepts the PPZ
>>> community is used to. Other GCS like APM Planner, HK GCS or QGC
>>> are also not on the PPZ versatility level, but they at least
>>> support takeoff / landing / loiter waypoints and actions like
>>> relay firing, with more MAV_CMDs to come:
>>> > MAV_CMD reference: http://pixhawk.ethz.ch/wiki/mavlink/
>>> >
>>> > And on a personal note: I really think there is a need for a
>>> standardized, open and not project-owned protocol out there. APM
>>> and Pixhawk are already sharing MAVLink and with QGroundcontrol,
>>> APM Planner and HK GCS there are several options available (QGC
>>> runs on all three OS, APM Planner on Win and Linux if I remember
>>> correctly).
>>> > And there is even Android support:
>>>
>>> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/copter-gcs-with-mission-support-and-more.
>>> >
>>> > After Paparazzi strived for openness so long it would be sad to
>>> see this opportunity pass to really have joint protocol in the
>>> community.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Lorenz
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Oct 6, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Rui Costa wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I would like to have your feedback about the ideia of modifying
>>> the openpilot GCS software to work with paparazzi boards.
>>> >
>>> > We have the authorization from openpilot people to do it.
>>> >
>>> > It's an highly customizing platform and appears to be easy to
>>> work. Almost everything is in C++ language.
>>> >
>>> > It can work on linux, windows or MAC OS and permits to create
>>> installation files. So, it's very userfriendly for some end users.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > What you think?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://wiki.openpilot.org/display/Doc/Ground+Control+Station+User+Manual
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cheers
>>> > Rui Costa
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Rui Costa
>>> <address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden>><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden>>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi again,
>>> >
>>> > Just to correct the link:
>>> >
>>> > www.openpilot.org
>>>
>>> <http://www.openpilot.org><http://www.openpilot.org/><http://www.openpilot.org/>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cheers
>>> > Rui Costa
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Rui Costa
>>> <address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden>><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden>>>> wrote:
>>> > Hello Bernard,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > How is the paparazzi center for Windows?
>>> >
>>> > Did you saw the CGS of openpilot.com
>>> <http://openpilot.com><http://openpilot.com/><http://openpilot.com/>
>>> project?
>>> >
>>> > www.openpilot.com
>>>
>>> <http://www.openpilot.com><http://www.openpilot.com/><http://www.openpilot.com/>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I tried and it's so user friendly and it's great for the end
>>> users. It would be very nice to do something like that.
>>> >
>>> > I can help. What you think? Have something working on windows
>>> right now?
>>> >
>>> > The openpilot CGS is C++ language.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Best regards
>>> > Rui Costa
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > From: Bernard Davison <address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden>><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden>>>>
>>> > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 7:42 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows
>>> > To: address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden>><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
>>> <mailto:address@hidden>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The development process has started and the documentation also
>>> started but I haven't got as far as Eric yet.
>>> > I've been stuck on some other tasks but should be back onto it
>>> in a week or two tops.
>>> > Keep an eye on http://paparazzi.enac.fr/wiki/Installation/Windows
>>> >
>>> > Note that I would not recommend anyone follow the instructions
>>> unless they want to help out Eric and I in making the system work.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Bernie.
>>> >
>>> > Bernard Davison
>>> >
>>> > Web:
>>>
>>> http://www.gondwana.com.au<http://www.gondwana.com.au/><http://www.gondwana.com.au/>
>>> > Mobile: 0412 039 128
>>> > Skype: rbdavison
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 26/07/2011, at 11:11 PM, Rui Costa wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Any news about the development of the Paparazzi center and CGS
>>> software for Windows?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Best regards
>>> > Rui Costa
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>>> > ------------------------------------------------------
>>> > Lorenz Meier
>>> > PhD Student
>>> > Computer Vision and Geometry Lab
>>> > ETH Zurich /
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- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/06
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Meier Lorenz, 2011/10/06
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/06
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/06
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Meier Lorenz, 2011/10/07
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, David Conger, 2011/10/07
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/12
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Chad Koehnen, 2011/10/12
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Gareth Roberts, 2011/10/12
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows,
David Conger <=
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Chris Gough, 2011/10/12
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/13
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Felix Ruess, 2011/10/13
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Gareth Roberts, 2011/10/13
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/13
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Cédric Marzer, 2011/10/13
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/13
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/13
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/13
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Cédric Marzer, 2011/10/13