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Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows
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David Conger |
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Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows |
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Fri, 07 Oct 2011 13:25:58 -0700 |
This is the Paparazzi-devel Developer email list right?
FWIW: Why doesn't MavLink simply integrate and work with IVY and require no
changes from the Paparazzi side? Maybe that is what you propose as you are the
lead developer?
-David
On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Meier Lorenz wrote:
> Given that I'm the QGC main developer I'm clearly biased regarding it, so I
> won't give any advice on that - download it and try the simulation and see
> for yourself:
>
>
> https://github.com/mavlink/v10release/downloads
> http://qgroundcontrol.org/dev/build_source
>
> Regarding MAVLink I have a stronger opinion, given that it has been adopted
> by quite a few projects I believe it is in a sweet spot between being
> relatively simple, yet powerful enough to cover most needs. We're working
> currently on a few high-level features like the mission library, but these
> are optional parts, the core protocol is pretty easy to adopt.
>
> With an aerial middleware (MAVConn), a ROS bridge and a Python interface and
> graphing tool (Andrew Tridgell's excellent pyMAVLink) it also has a
> reasonable Ecosystem beyond just the onboard C implementation and the
> available GCS.
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2011, at 6:38 PM, Rui Costa wrote:
>
>
>
> The best solution now will be to adapt the QGroundControl and MavLink, right?
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Rui Costa
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Rui Costa
> <address@hidden<mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:
> Thnk you Lorenz for your great opinion. It's a good help.
>
>
> I would like to improve the actual paparazzi GCS, but I don't know how to do
> it and don't understand the actual language.
>
> It would be nice to improve some things on the GCS. Is there anyone working
> on that? Maybe we can join a comission to see what can be improved and work
> together to archieve that.
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Rui Costa
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Meier Lorenz
> <address@hidden<mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:
> One comment on that. I have an OpenPilot board sitting here and know the
> onboard and offboard codebase at least ok, if not well. Its a great project
> and I'm happily using it.
>
>
> However: OpenPilot has a kind of "shared memory" architecture between GCS and
> autopilot.
>
> If you change an onboard data object in only one variable -> Complete
> re-build of the GCS
>
> This approach works nicely for OpenPilot. It is however about the worst-case
> for a multi-project use of the GCS, since it effectively forces you to use
> the very same data containers. And since the data containers are even used on
> the UI level, changing the protocol forces you to update the UI code.
>
> The difference between QGroundControl/MAVLink and OpenPilot is that MAVLink
> and QGC have one abstraction layer on each the autopilot and the GCS side. So
> the user interface can be changed without effects and the onboard code can be
> changed without side-effects. OpenPilot misses these layers in the onboard
> code and in the GCS.
> So it is very elegant for a single project. But its the opposite of
> standardized communication - I've even added MAVLink support for the OP board
> I'm using for this reason.
>
> So don't take me wrong, nothing against OpenPilot, I'm happily running a
> board with OP on it and I'm partly using the GCS. But for a multi-project
> use, this is a dead end.
>
>
> Please also note that the OP GCS has a weak mission support (I haven't seen a
> waypoint list at all so far), so I'm not sure how this will work out for the
> very advanced concepts the PPZ community is used to. Other GCS like APM
> Planner, HK GCS or QGC are also not on the PPZ versatility level, but they at
> least support takeoff / landing / loiter waypoints and actions like relay
> firing, with more MAV_CMDs to come:
> MAV_CMD reference: http://pixhawk.ethz.ch/wiki/mavlink/
>
> And on a personal note: I really think there is a need for a standardized,
> open and not project-owned protocol out there. APM and Pixhawk are already
> sharing MAVLink and with QGroundcontrol, APM Planner and HK GCS there are
> several options available (QGC runs on all three OS, APM Planner on Win and
> Linux if I remember correctly).
> And there is even Android support:
> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/copter-gcs-with-mission-support-and-more.
>
> After Paparazzi strived for openness so long it would be sad to see this
> opportunity pass to really have joint protocol in the community.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Lorenz
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Rui Costa wrote:
>
> I would like to have your feedback about the ideia of modifying the openpilot
> GCS software to work with paparazzi boards.
>
> We have the authorization from openpilot people to do it.
>
> It's an highly customizing platform and appears to be easy to work. Almost
> everything is in C++ language.
>
> It can work on linux, windows or MAC OS and permits to create installation
> files. So, it's very userfriendly for some end users.
>
>
> What you think?
>
> http://wiki.openpilot.org/display/Doc/Ground+Control+Station+User+Manual
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Rui Costa
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Rui Costa
> <address@hidden<mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden<mailto:address@hidden>>>
> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Just to correct the link:
>
> www.openpilot.org<http://www.openpilot.org/><http://www.openpilot.org/>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Rui Costa
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Rui Costa
> <address@hidden<mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden<mailto:address@hidden>>>
> wrote:
> Hello Bernard,
>
>
> How is the paparazzi center for Windows?
>
> Did you saw the CGS of
> openpilot.com<http://openpilot.com/><http://openpilot.com/> project?
>
> www.openpilot.com<http://www.openpilot.com/><http://www.openpilot.com/>
>
>
> I tried and it's so user friendly and it's great for the end users. It would
> be very nice to do something like that.
>
> I can help. What you think? Have something working on windows right now?
>
> The openpilot CGS is C++ language.
>
>
> Best regards
> Rui Costa
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bernard Davison
> <address@hidden<mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden<mailto:address@hidden>>>
> Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 7:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows
> To:
> address@hidden<mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden<mailto:address@hidden>>
>
>
> The development process has started and the documentation also started but I
> haven't got as far as Eric yet.
> I've been stuck on some other tasks but should be back onto it in a week or
> two tops.
> Keep an eye on http://paparazzi.enac.fr/wiki/Installation/Windows
>
> Note that I would not recommend anyone follow the instructions unless they
> want to help out Eric and I in making the system work.
>
> Cheers,
> Bernie.
>
> Bernard Davison
>
> Web:
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>
> On 26/07/2011, at 11:11 PM, Rui Costa wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> Any news about the development of the Paparazzi center and CGS software for
> Windows?
>
>
>
> Best regards
> Rui Costa
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- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/06
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Meier Lorenz, 2011/10/06
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/06
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/06
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Meier Lorenz, 2011/10/07
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows,
David Conger <=
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/12
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Chad Koehnen, 2011/10/12
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Gareth Roberts, 2011/10/12
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, David Conger, 2011/10/12
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Chris Gough, 2011/10/12
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/13
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Felix Ruess, 2011/10/13
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Gareth Roberts, 2011/10/13
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Rui Costa, 2011/10/13
- Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Paparazzi center ans CGS for Windows, Cédric Marzer, 2011/10/13