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RE: [Openexr-devel] RAW images in OpenEXR?


From: Lars Borg
Subject: RE: [Openexr-devel] RAW images in OpenEXR?
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:34:38 -0700

Alex,

Why store additional illuminants in the DNG or RAW file? It should suffice to have these in the camera.

If you know the illuminant used at time of capture exactly, you need only one matrix, not two. If you know it only approximately, say daylight versus tungsten versus flourescent, you may want two matrices, to span the category. Embedding say 20 matrices in the DNG file, one for every candidate illuminant, is not going to help you, as most won't be applicable to the particular image. I think it's a reasonable assumption that the camera can discriminate between tungsten and daylight.

Lars

At 1:15 PM -0700 6/18/08, Alex Forsythe wrote:
Chris,
I don't want to get too off the EXR topic here ... I'll just say, I admit that I have not done any testing using the adobe approach, but I just strikes me as an issue that opens the door to debate. Is there a metadata tag that would be appropriate for storage of RGB to XYZ matrices for additional illuminants in order to avoid the issue?
Alex


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 "Chris Cox" <address@hidden> 6/18/2008 12:14 PM >>>
Alex;

In all testing so far, interpolating the matrices has given very, very good results.
You can ask for more details on the DNG/ACR user forums.

Common light sources don't have that wide a variety of spectra. Cheap fluorescent lamps and sodium lamps are the exceptions (and difficult to correct for anyway).

No, nothing about the file format or the calibrations dictates how subsequent image processing occurs, nor does anything else about the file format.

DNG is already in widespread use, with very few complaints about the format (although there have been a few misunderstandings).

Chris



-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Forsythe [mailto:address@hidden
Sent: Wed 6/18/2008 9:22 AM
To: Chris Cox; Florian Kainz; address@hidden
Subject: Re: [Openexr-devel] RAW images in OpenEXR?


Chris,

One issue with DNG I've always had is the storage and usage of Camera RGB to XYZ matrices. Correct me if I'm wrong, but DNG only allows for the storage of two RGB to XYX matrices and it's suggested that they be built using sources with the chromaticities of D65 and A. I could see many situations where it'd be highly preferable to store more than two RGB to XYZ matrices in metadata. The proposed OpenEXR also seems to suffer from this lack of support for multiple RGB to XYZ transforms. My biggest concern with DNG is, and again correct me if I'm wrong here, how DNG goes about computing matrices for RGB to XYZ transforms when the illuminant is not either D65, or A. From what I understand, the 9 matrix coefficients are interpolated to derive a new matrix. Now, I'll first suggest this isn't a very good method of determining the RGB to XYZ matrix for a light source which may have a very different spectral power distribution from the light sources already accounted for. However, regardless of how well it may or may not work in practice my real concern is more philosophical in nature. I don't think any RAW file format should dictate how subsequent image processing occurs. This 2+interpolation method does just that.

On another note -

Florian,
B44 and B44A are wonderful algorithms for traditional uses of OpenEXR, but you correctly pointed out that Lossy compression methods (B44, B44A) would introduce crosstalk between the channels. This is highly undesirable and exactly what the Red camera folks are now taking a lot of heat for. I'd suggest limiting compression to lossless compression methods for RAW data storage.

Thanks
Alex

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On May 6, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Chris Cox wrote:

 Why would you want something un-EXR like in EXR?

 Why not use existing open standards for camera RAW images?

 See http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/index.html
 and http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/dng/dng_sdk.html

 Chris



 -----Original Message-----
From: address@hidden on behalf of Florian Kainz
 Sent: Tue 5/6/2008 1:19 PM
 To: address@hidden
 Subject: [Openexr-devel] RAW images in OpenEXR?


 Recently several people have asked whether OpenEXR would be suitable
 for storing RAW images from cameras with color filter array sensors.
The proposal below describes a method to do that. I would be interested
 in feedback from OpenEXR users.

 Florian


 OpenEXR RAW Images
 ------------------

 CFA Image Sensors And RAW Images

Digital image file formats such as OpenEXR or JPEG usually represent images as red-green-blue (RGB) data. Conceptually, each pixel in an image file has a red, a green and a blue value. Image files may be
     compressed, and compression often involves transforming the RGB
pixels to an alternate format before the data are stored in a file, but the original RGB data can be recovered from the file - at least
     approximately - by reversing this transformation.

     The image sensors in most modern electronic cameras do not record
     full RGB data for every pixel.  Cameras typically use sensors that
are equipped with color filter arrays. Each pixel in such a sensor is covered with a red, green or blue color filter. The filters are
     arranged in a regular pattern, for example, like this:

         G R G R G R
         B G B G B G
         G R G R G R
         B G B G B G
         G R G R G R
         B G B G B G

     To reconstruct a full-color picture from an image that has been
     recorded by such a color filter array sensor (CFA sensor), the
     image is first split into a red, a green and a blue channel:

         . R . R . R    G . G . G .    . . . . . .
         . . . . . .    . G . G . G    B . B . B .
         . R . R . R    G . G . G .    . . . . . .
         . . . . . .    . G . G . G    B . B . B .
         . R . R . R    G . G . G .    . . . . . .
         . . . . . .    . G . G . G    B . B . B .

     Some of the pixels in each channel contain no data (indicated
     by a period).  Before combining the red, green and blue channels
     into a an RGB image, values for the empty pixels in each channel
     must be interpolated from neighboring pixels that do contain data.

     Not all CFA sensors use red, green and blue filters.  For example,
     some cameras use green, magenta, yellow and cyan filters:

         G Y G Y G Y
         C M C M C M
         G Y G Y G Y
         C M C M C M
         G Y G Y G Y
         C M C M C M

     In another variation, the pixel grid in some image sensors is
     rotated 45 degrees with respect to the edges of the image:

          G G G G G
         B R B R B R
          G G G G G
         R B R B R B
          G G G G G
         B R B R B R

Most electronic cameras automatically convert raw CFA sensor data to RGB images. The camera outputs RGB images and discards the raw data. However, some users prefer to use their cameras in "raw mode," where
     the camera directly outputs the more ore less unaltered CFA sensor
data. Reconstruction of RGB images is deferred to an offline process.
 >     Saving raw data can be desirable for two reasons:

     - An offline process that does not have to work in real time and
       within the often limited computing resources available in the
       camera may be able to reconstruct better looking RGB images.
 >
- Since raw sensor data contain only one value per pixel instead of
       three, a raw image occupies only a third as much space as an RGB
       image with the same bit depth and compression.

     Image files that contain raw CFA sensor data are often called
     "RAW files" or "camera RAW files."

 Storing RAW Images in OpenEXR Files

     It would be possible to store the output of a CFA image sensor
     directly in a single-channel OpenEXR image file.  Additional
     information such as the colors and locations of the filters
     could be stored in an attribute in the file header.  The need
     for image compression makes this approach undesirable.  Every
     pixel in such a single-channel image is surrounded by pixels
     with different color filters.  Existing compression methods in
     OpenEXR are not aware of this interleaving of image channels.
     Lossy compression methods (B44, B44A) would introduce crosstalk
     between the channels.  Lossless compression methods (PIZ, ZIP)
     would preserve the image exactly, but the compression rate
     would suffer.

     Another way to store raw CFA sensor data is to split the image
     into multiple channels with one channel per filter color.
     OpenEXR's sub-sampled image channels provide an efficient way to
     represent the resulting sparsely populated channels.  Since each
     filter color is stored in its own channel, existing compression
     methods work well.  Lossy compression does not introduce crosstalk
     between filter colors, and lossless compression achieve nearly
     the same compression rates as for regular RGB images.

     Every channel in an OpenEXR image has an x and a y sampling rate.
     A channel contains data only for pixel locations whose x and y
     coordinates are evenly divisible by the x and y sampling rates:

         (x % xSampling == 0)  && (y % ySampling == 0)

     For a CFA image sensor with RGB filters, we use the following
     sampling rates:

         channel     xSampling   ySampling

         R           2           2
         G           2           1
         B           2           2

     Now our OpenEXR file contains one R, two G and one B sample for
     every four pixels, just as in the sensor.  However, the spatial
     arrangement of the samples differs:

         sensor                      file

         G   R   G   R   G   R       RGB .   RGB .   RGB .
         B   G   B   G   B   G       G   .   G   .   G   .
         G   R   G   R   G   R       RGB .   RGB .   RGB .
         B   G   B   G   B   G       G   .   G   .   G   .
         G   R   G   R   G   R       RGB .   RGB .   RGB .
         B   G   B   G   B   G       G   .   G   .   G   .

     We must augment the file by describing the arrangement of the
     pixels in the sensor.

The color filters in front of the pixels in the sensor are arranged
     in a regular pattern; the sensor is covered with repetitions of a
     two-by-two pixel tile:

         G R
         B G

     We can describe this pattern by adding a new CfaTile attribute to
     the OpenEXR file header:

         struct CfaPixel
         {
             string  channelName;
             int     xOffset;
             int     yOffset;
             V3f     XYZ;
         };

         class CfaTile
         {
           public:

             int                 xSize () const;
             int                 ySize () const;
             const CfaPixel &    pixel (int x, int y) const;
             CfaPixel &          pixel (int x, int y);

             ...
         };

     A CfaPixel, p, at location (x, y) in CfaTile t defines the
     following:

       * Channel p.channelName in the OpenEXR file has values for
 >         all pixels whose coordinates (px, py) are of the form

             px = x + n * t.xSize
             py = y + m * t.ySize

         In the file, the value for pixel (px, py) is stored at
         location

             (px + p.xOffset, py + p.offset)
 >
       * p.XYZ is a set of weights for reconstructing CIE XYZ colors
         from the CFA sensor data.  After all channels have been fully
         populated by interpolation, the XYZ color of each pixel
         computed as a weighted sum of all the channels:

             XYZpixels[py][px] = V3f (0, 0, 0);

             for (...)
XYZpixels[py][px] += channel(p.channelName)[py][px] * p.XYZ;

         Once the XYZ color of a pixel is known, the color can be
         converted to any desired RGB space.

       * As a special case, if p.channelName is an empty string, then
         the file contains no data for this pixel.

     For example, the two-by-two-pixel CfaTile for our RGB CFA sensor
     would look like this:

         x   y   channelName xOffset yOffset XYZ

         0   0    G           0       0      (0.3576, 0.7152, 0.1192)
         1   0    R          -1       0      (0.4124, 0.2126, 0.0193)
         0   1    B           0      -1      (0.1805, 0.0722, 0.9505)
         1   1    G          -1       0      (0.3576, 0.7152, 0.1192)

     Using sub-sampled channels and a CfaTile attribute, we can also
     handle sensors with green, magenta, yellow and cyan filters:

         sensor                      file

         G   Y   G   Y   G   Y       GYCM .    GYCM .    GYCM .
         C   M   C   M   C   M       .    .    .    .    .    .
         G   Y   G   Y   G   Y       GYCM .    GYCM .    GYCM .
         C   M   C   M   C   M       .    .    .    .    .    .
         G   Y   G   Y   G   Y       GYCM .    GYCM .    GYCM .
         C   M   C   M   C   M       .    .    .    .    .    .

         channels

             name    xSampling   ySampling
             G       2           2
             Y       2           2
             C       2           2
             M       2           2

         CfaTile (2x2)

             x   y   channelName xOffset yOffset XYZ

             0   0    G           0       0      (...)
             1   0    Y          -1       0      (...)
             0   1    C           0      -1      (...)
             1   1    M          -1      -1      (...)

     The same representation can also handle sensor pixel grids that
     are rotated by 45 degrees:

         sensor          file

          G G G G G      RGB .   G   RGB .   G   .
         B R B R B R     .   .   .   .   .   .   .
          G G G G G      RGB .   G   RGB .   G   .
         R B R B R B     .   .   .   .   .   .   .
          G G G G G      RGB .   G   RGB .   G   .
         B R B R B R     .   .   .   .   .   .   .

         channels

             name     xSampling   ySampling

             R        4           2
             G        2           2
             B        4           2

         CfaTile (4x4)

             x   y   channelName xOffset yOffset XYZ

             0   0   (empty)     -1       0      (...)
             1   0    G
             2   0   (empty)
             3   0    G          -1       0      (...)

             0   1    B           0      -1      (...)
             1   1   (empty)
             2   1    R          -2      -1      (...)
             3   1   (empty)

             0   2   (empty)
             1   2    G          -1       0      (...)
             2   2   (empty)
             3   2    G          -1       0      (...)

             0   3    R           0      -1      (...)
             1   3   (empty)
             2   3    B          -2      -1      (...)
             3   3   (empty)

     In this last case both the OpenEXR image channels and the CfaTile
     pixel grid are rather sparsely populated.  The corresponding
     interpolated RGB image will have a rather high resolution, but
     it will not contain fine detail.  The interpolated image should
 >     probably be scaled down, either by a factor of sqrt(2) (resulting
     in the same number of R, G and B sensor samples per RGB pixel as
     for a non-rotated grid) or by a factor of 2 (resulting in one
 >     green sample per RGB pixel).  This scale factor should perhaps
     be included in the CfaTile attribute.

 Integer or Floating-Point?

     Representing raw CFA sensor data with sub-sampled channels and
     a CfaTile attribute would work with either floating-point or
     integer channels.  With floating-point channels, the pixel data
     would probably be scaled such that middle gray falls somewhere
     close to 0.18.  With integer channels, middle gray might be
     represented as a value close to 9% of the maximum, for example,
     1475 for a sensor that outputs 14-bit data with a maximum of
     16383 (effectively mapping the maximum value to 2.0).

     The XYZ scale factors of the CfaPixels would compensate for the
     different scale factors of floating-point versus integer pixel
     data.

     Integers would be "more raw" than floating-point numbers; the
     pixels could represent the exact bit patterns produced by the
     analog-to-digital converter in the camera's sensor system.

     16-bit floating-point numbers would introduce a mild form of
     lossy data compression.  With 14-bit sensor output, numbers
     close to the maximum (16383) have a relative quantization step
     of about 0.006% while the quantization step of 16-bit floating-
     point numbers is 0.1%, so the conversion to floating-point is
     not lossless.  Since raw integer sensor data are nearly linear
     relative to the number of photons captured by the sensor, small
     differences between integer values near the high end of the
     range are not significant for real-world image processing.
     The difference between 15000 and 15001 is completely invisible,
     as is the difference between 15000 and 15020.  Conversion to
     floating-point does not affect image quality, but it does
     result in smaller file sizes because most of the compression
     algorithms in OpenEXR work best with 16-bit floating-point data.
     (PIZ and PXR24 do work reasonably well even with integer pixels.)

 Proof-of-Concept Implementation

     The attached tar bundle contains C++ source code for an
     implementation of the CfaTile attribute, and for a command-line
     program that converts an RGB image into a simulated OpenEXR raw
     RGB CFA sensor image.  The program can also convert raw CFA sensor
     images back to RGB.

 What's Missing?

     The interpolation algorithm in the attached C++ code is a quick
     hack.  It produces rather soft images and it suffers from edge
     artifacts.  A production-ready implementation of the proposed
     raw image representation would need a much better interpolator.

     The proof-of-concept implementation lacks white balancing, flare
     suppression and other basic color correction.  White balancing
     could be achieved by tweaking the XYZ weights in the CfaPixels,
     but additional header attributes are needed to transmit other
     color correction data.  A CTL program would be a compact and
     very general way to represent this information.

     The OpenEXR library should probably contain some form of support
     for raw-to-RGB conversion.  Ideally the RGBA interface would
     transparently perform this conversion during file reading.

     It is unlikely that a purely software based raw-to-RGB conversion
     would be fast enough to allow reading of OpenEXR raw images at
     high frame rates.  Real-time playback software would probably have
to upload the raw data to into a graphics card and perform conversion
     to RGB in a GPU-based pixel shader, similar to how playexr handles
     luminance/chroma images.

     And of course, camera manufacturers will have to agree to output
     OpenEXR raw files.




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