Re: Re: Melisma line

[70147persson]

On 2018-09-24 at 01:02, David Wright wrote:
> On Sun 23 Sep 2018 at 14:35:59 (-0700), Aaron Hill wrote:
> > On 2018-09-23 1:43 pm, Noeck wrote:
> > > > > Txt = \lyricmode { Ah Ah __ \repeat unfold 2 { \skip 1 } Ah Ah }
> > > > Try using "" or any invisible markup instead of the skips.
> > > That did not work here. But this ugly hack does:
> > >
> > > \lyricmode { Ah Ah __ \markup \with-color #white " " _ Ah Ah }
> > >
> > > Actually, the color does not matter. But only an empty markup or a
> > > space
> > > is not enough.
> > My solution to this sort of thing is to make sure that only notes that
> > have lyrics assigned are in the voice in question when using
> > \addlyrics or \lyricsto.  The two "extra" notes would be put into
> > their own voice so nothing tries to bind to them.
> >
> > %%%%
> > \version "2.18.2"
> > A = \relative g' { g2 g( g g) << { s2 s } \\ { \oneVoice g2 g } >> g g }
> > Txt = \lyricmode { Ah Ah __ Ah Ah }
> > \score { \A \addlyrics { \Txt } \layout {} }
> > %%%%
> That's adds a lot of complexity. I prefer a simpler approach:
>
> %%
> \version "2.18.2"
>
> A = \relative g' { g2 g( g g) g g g g }
> n = \lyricmode { "" }
>
> Txt = \lyricmode { Ah Ah __ \n _ Ah Ah }
>
> \score { \A \addlyrics { \Txt } \layout {} }
>
> nbsp = \markup \char ##x00A0 % safer alternative than the literal char (which 
> does work)
> n = \lyricmode { \nbsp }
>
> Txt = \lyricmode { Ah Ah __ \n _ Ah Ah }
>
> \score { \A \addlyrics { \Txt } \layout {} }
> %%
>
> The first method can emit warning messages so I use the second,
> defined in a library \include.
>
> You only need one melisma stopper, and I then use _ for subsequent notes as
>
>    … a melisma __ \n
>    \repeat unfold 83 _
>    Next lyric …
>
> is so tidy, and easily edited.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
Hello everybody, Simon, Noeck, Aaron and David, and thank you for your 
efforts in my embarrassment.

Simon: Well, I started with your suggestion, and it worked, so I was 
satisfied, almost. The printed score was what I wanted and I could see 
no influence on the MIDI file. But instead I got a bunch of warnings 
because of the empty string "". Well, it was warnings and not errors, so 
the compilation worked fine, and at that stage I was prepared to accept, 
even if I was not fully contented.

Noeck: You suggested to print the stop character in white, the assumed 
paper colour. But what happens if you would print your score on a 
coloured paper, e.g. yellow. Right now I cannot see any reason for this, 
but it might happen. Well, I have seen this suggestion in the manual NB, 
too, but think it's a second-hand solution.

Aaron: Yes, your solution works fine for this small example, but it has 
one (solvable and possibly affordable) disadvantage: Since you introduce 
two completely new voices, all settings you may have done for the 
original voice, e.g. \stemDown etc.., are lost for these two. Of course 
you can introduce them quit easily with a variable or something, but 
that is the consequence. So this method will not be my choice.

David: Already after testing Simon's method the thoughts started in my 
head, that I ought to search for a non printable control character, but 
then it dealt with the original ASCII characters (the interval hex 0x00 
to 0x1F). Indeed I was not aware of the special character you use. But 
it works perfect, and I have not noticed any unwanted side effects. So 
that is the way I will chose. The last lines in your message, starting 
with "You only need one melisma stopper" I do not fully understand, but 
the method you describe before that is crystal clear.


Thank you all for your help and your assistance. It has helped me a lot 
in an irritating situation.

Kaj