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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] ethical edtech edit-a-thon


From: Nathan Schneider
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] ethical edtech edit-a-thon
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 14:39:10 -0600
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Thanks Erin and Dmitry.

I take responsibility for this. For one thing, the Atom entry was
incorrect—MIT is free/libre according the criteria I was using (GPL
compatibility <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html>). I would
think of "open source" as everything that's GPL compatible plus non-free
licenses.

I agree that the distinction is tricky, and I don't love it. In fact,
originally we were planning to call this "open tech for open ed" or
something, and I happened to be in an email exchange at the time with
Richard Stallman, who objected on the "open" language, and so I set up
the open vs. free/libre distinction to avoid antagonizing anyone further.

I would love any suggestions about how to handle this matter better!

Nathan

On 3/12/19 1:54 PM, Erin Glass wrote:
> Hi Dmitry,
>
> You raise good questions. In this early stage of the project, we have
> been focusing on showing educators alternatives to commercial (and
> invasive) forms of academic technology more than establishing hard
> distinctions between free/libre and open source software (which as you
> note, is more complicated). However, I can now see how our tagging
> system has perhaps emphasized the difference between free and open
> source without any helpful description as to why.
>
> My flight is about to take off but I will give this some more thought. 
>
> I’m copying my collaborator Nathan so he can weigh in as well.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Erin
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 11:08 AM Dmitry Alexandrov <address@hidden
> <mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:
>
>     Erin Glass <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:
>     > I'm writing to let you know about the 'Ethical Ed Tech
>     > <https://ethicaledtech.info/wiki/Meta:Welcome_to_Ethical_EdTech
>     
> <https://secure-web.cisco.com/1WzqT6P8VV-X7CsjsVREhlMwg8cFGxQVZdojF5gWzdyLN-Vxwa7HKGpl6P2dzh69WXPB7dQKtr55usOu2uvByZrpw0aucQs5uLIdzU8oA5MbhQe6cI0zoQ1uTQFEg84XqbKOYH9ffhotKsep-XB54RpZHLdwZu3UWuufOMCUBGi5tQZJRLfSeABFlLgGBTZZ8LtrOHWneP8wJ7qkKeb4Jps7PvNQ-o-vSG7yINi8VCrbOJX2_BBnmRryOywCNbt5FBkYSaxkZJky4wtntmLXPDxJTQfPT4pxLB8QHw4m-mXtYbcnpU2X6RiH54b8gk6MOLbXGGXo99TgPwkPUhStU4elcwNRapFoLOqL8UXlYoFkX8M4cFbwBRoW5gG5dqFiFb_UOCO9uxLA9BqXRcvtcc3izimyvWc-baZnuBGCeHtYYEuUol426sZ97eAGDqQU7hc6ILA3P1BuY1vTUT-r5ew/https%3A%2F%2Fethicaledtech.info%2Fwiki%2FMeta%3AWelcome_to_Ethical_EdTech>>'
>     wiki and
>     > edit-a-thon on April 3 that may be of interest to the free software
>     > community.
>
>     Looks interesting.  And the first thing that strikes in the eye
>     right at the main page is a tag cloud with distinct categories for
>     ‘free/libre’ [1] and ‘open source’ software [2].  What definitions
>     of that terms do you use, so this is required?  Afair, Wikipedia’s
>     experience showed, that so fine yet vague categorizations tend to
>     be faulty.
>
>     Actually, the wiki in question already features ‘open source’ yet
>     _not_ ‘free/libre’ Atom, CommentPress, Pandoc, Omeka, GitLab,
>     Hypothesis and LibreOffice, with no examples of the opposite.
>
>     The only commentary, that explain this oddity concerns Atom [3]:
>
>     > It is open source, under the MIT license, but is not free/libre.
>
>     But what is that supposed to mean?  Of course, a program,
>     published in sources under any of ‘MIT licences’ (here — under the
>     Expat licence), _is_ free in any sense of that word!
>
>     [1] https://ethicaledtech.info/wiki/Category:Free/libre
>     
> <https://secure-web.cisco.com/1u9Aj32rQFd1Zf8VB00aMvJqUL2xEGFpevY_wVPKoPEh1Q4eKiuDAHqQtJB7bMfZ8PzJ663O9fHCNErBunows93PuhLbbNfAeUvIngosRRO48JE6-TEmvy2KE5Gnjk5apU0L1zCQZUERCxJCLLGRnD1EGkW4JU8lV4aClXwF8XFDl0ToS7WXLAZUkCOyRnl_Yo6V2saO-JRa-w1Mh2P7HSvHS05G_8dAsMgH7mkQ_iF925cZZ1L6eqDq0DG2vuEOHcxKTFLqBL2wULmEjc7CGjx6swKM7bfyFKmAkoICu7N3XQ9BfbCclx7SOWcSE6DxpGIP00TRgef7SLinh4N94vuEkaNIqHig7uTAYAG5OkRGhL9Xe38rWuIgJkqk-sOQWzEvDPpyxtchFDvq7-LI0elL-9VvKfOTj5XReiDWI3e4ejbsiOVdK18ZlBkTrHv2oBMvPODBT-XVSXY38WPH_EQ/https%3A%2F%2Fethicaledtech.info%2Fwiki%2FCategory%3AFree%2Flibre>
>     [2] https://ethicaledtech.info/wiki/Category:Open_source
>     
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>     [3] https://ethicaledtech.info/wiki/Atom
>     
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> -- 
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