There's a bunch of confusion going on here.
Free/libre includes all freely licensed works, even when GPL
incompatible.
GNU itself hosts a list of specifically FREE/LIBRE licenses that are
accepted as such despite the downside of being GPL-incompatible.
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses
As far as trying to talk about these topics in general, I suggest the
use of FLO (Free/Libre/Open), as discussed at
https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/about/free-libre-open
This isn't about a *wider* set as free/libre covers the set just fine.
The issue is just about acknowledging the existence of "open" both for
its own values and simply to not confuse people who think that "open
source" refers to a really different set of software (it does not, the
sets are NEAR unity with only obscure edge-case distinctions).
On 2019-03-12 8:45 p.m., Nathan Schneider wrote:
Ugh, sorry. My kid's sickness is creeping through my brain! I
mis-wrote.
Free/libre = GPL compatible
Open source = GPL compatible + GPL incompatible open codebases
And I think the fact that some software in there that is GPL
compatible
is not categorized as free/libre is simply a mistake in an early
project.
It may be in the end that dropping "open source" altogether is the
right
thing to do. We're starting with a wide net, with the goal of refining
the process as we go.
I am aware about the horrible hyperlinks. I have complained about
that.
But it is inescapable on my university's email system.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Nathan
On 3/12/19 4:52 PM, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
Nathan Schneider <nathan.schneider@Colorado.EDU> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 11:08 AM Dmitry Alexandrov
<321942@gmail.com> wrote:
Erin Glass <erglass@ucsd.edu> wrote:
I'm writing to let you know about the 'Ethical Ed Tech
https://ethicaledtech.info/wiki/Meta:Welcome_to_Ethical_EdTech
wiki
...the first thing that strikes in the eye ... is a tag cloud with
distinct categories for ‘free/libre’ [1] and ‘open source’ software
[2]. What definitions of that terms do you use, so this is
required? ...fine yet vague categorizations tend to be faulty.
Actually, the wiki in question already features ‘open source’ yet
_not_ ‘free/libre’ Atom, CommentPress, Pandoc, Omeka, GitLab,
Hypothesis and LibreOffice, with no examples of the opposite.
I would think of "open source" as everything that's GPL compatible
plus non-free licenses.
Er? Sorry, it seems that my English is not good enough to grasp it.
‘Open source’ programs are programs that are under GNU GPL-compatible
terms and (union) programs that are nonfree? That is LaTeX is not
‘open source’, while Microsoft Word is? No, that’s nonsensical.
Next.
‘Open source’ programs are programs that are at the same time
GPL-compatible and nonfree? No, that’s empty set.
‘Open source’ programs are programs that available either (as an
option) under terms of a GPL-compatible free licence or some nonfree
licence? These are free programs. And again, why GPL-incompatible
ones are excluded? No, still a fishy guess.
Okay, I’m given up. :-)
In any way, that would be the most peculiar definition of ‘open
source’ among _four_ others, I am aware about. I couldn’t care less
about purity of this confusing term, but is it really worth to invent
another one?
I agree that the distinction is tricky, and I don't love it. In
fact, originally we were planning to call this "open tech for open
ed" or something, and I happened to be in an email exchange at the
time with Richard Stallman, who objected on the "open" language, and
so I set up the open vs. free/libre distinction to avoid
antagonizing anyone further.
To set a distinction, perhaps, is not the sure way to _avoid_
antagonizing. Rather, the other way round. ;-)
I would love any suggestions about how to handle this matter better!
In the same way as nearly everyone do, of course. Do not install a
separate category of ‘open source’ software in any sense of that
phrase. Due to its overwhelming usage as a metonymy for ‘free’ in
the anglophonic sphere, that category will became the only one really
used, while ‘free / libre’ will remain neglected, thus provoking
confusions about how LibreOffice, Pandoc, etc are not free. It
already went that way.
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