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Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode?
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? |
Date: |
Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:34:50 +0300 |
> From: Xah <xahlee@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
> > > • Universally understood
> >
> > So is Meta.
>
> Huh? Are you out of your mind Eli?
Not a very nice thing to say. Are you out of arguments yet?
> this can be easily verified though. Go stand on a street in downtown.
Meta doesn't need to be understood by anyone downtown, just by Emacs
users.
> > > • Identical To Key's Label
> >
> > Only on some keyboards.
>
> Huh? Are you serious or are you joking??
>
> I have a keyboard gallery here:
> http://xahlee.org/emacs/keyboards.html
>
> which includes several picts of different PC keyboards.
Not all keyboards in the world are PC keyboards.
> > > • Meta is Alt in practice
> >
> > Only on some keyboards.
>
> Huh? I'm talking about Emacs's default binding for emacs running in
> major OSes (Windows, OSX, Linux). On Windows and Linux it's Alt. On
> Apple computers in OSX with Apple's keyboard, it's Alt in Aquamac, Cmd
> in Carbon Emacs.
Again, this is not all. You have seen too few systems, and thus your
conclusions are skewed. GNU/Linux, for example, does not run only on
Intel machines with PC keyboards.
> > > • Keyboards don't have Meta key today
> >
> > Yes, they do, at least some of them.
>
> Did you read what i wrote?
Did you read what I wrote?
> > > So i consider it more as bug report now i think about it. Why? Because
> > > emacs failed to update itself when its keyboard under lisp machines
> > > become obsolete.
> >
> > You have your history wrong: Meta came from old Sun keyboards, where
> > it was marked with a diamond.
>
>
> Are you saying, that the Sun Microsystem's keyboard precedes Lisp
> Machine's keyboard?
No, I'm saying that Meta doesn't come from Lisp machines.
> Do you have any detail, reference at all?
Yes, but no time to write it all.
> > > So back to emacs.... there was CUA mode. I don't know the history of
> > > the mode, but it is my guess that mode has been floating out there for
> > > quite some time before it is part of emacs. I think there must be huge
> > > resistance back then, even today, the use of it is somewhat
> > > controversial, and geekers are shy to admit they use it because that
> > > somehow makes them “Microsoft Kiddies”.
> >
> > You are wrong. As long as a mode is optional, there's normally no
> > resistance at all (assuming that it's written cleanly and according to
> > Emacs coding style and standards).
>
> So? what is your point?
That Emacs embraces change and progress, contrary to your remarks.
> > I hope the ratio of your lines to mine will not be so large next time,
> > though, or else I'd need to cut my losses and stop. I will never have
> > enough time even to read everything you managed to dump on me in
> > response to just 11 lines.
>
> Let's not start slurs ok?
Look who's talking. You just accused me of being insane, not reading
your messages and what's not.
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- Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode?, Colin S. Miller, 2008/07/29
- Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode?, David Hansen, 2008/07/30
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- Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode?, Andreas Eder, 2008/07/29
- Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode?, Xah, 2008/07/29
- Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode?, Andreas Eder, 2008/07/30
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