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Michael Thaler |
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Look and Feel |
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Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:26:05 +0100 |
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On Monday 14 February 2005 22:49, discuss-gnustep-request@gnu.org wrote:
> It's NOT "just for the sake of distinctiveness". Read the damn UI
> guidelines and you'll actually understand why. They're posted at
> http://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/OpenStepUserInterfaceGuideli
>nes.pdf and you clearly have some very poorly informed opinions regarding
> why certain things are done certain way. I'm not going to waste my breath
> explaining them here, when they're far more eloquently and clearly
> explained in the UIG document I posted above.
>
> Also, can you please tell me several *SPECIFIC* ideas from GNOME or KDE
> which are original to GNOME or KDE (IE which did not come from somewhere
> else)? And then can you whittle that tiny list down to the things you
> think we should actually consider implementing? ;-)
Do you really think it matters if some idea is original to GNOME, KDE or
Windows? Do you really think it makes a UI more useable if they do not copy
sccessful concepts from other UIs? And do you really think people will start
using GNUstep just because it has a floating menu or scrollbars on the left?
Honestly, tell me a simple reason for an average GNOME/KDE/Windows user to use
GNUstep today. All the major applications are either using gtk/gnomelibs or
Qt/kdelibs and GNUstep apps on GNONE/KDE look just weird and do not fit on
these desktops and GNOME/KDE applications would not fit in a (potential)
GNUstep desktop at all.
Personnally I am interested in GNUstep because I like Objective-C and I
believe the underlying framework is superior to GNOME/KDE. I started to learn
Objective-C during Christmas holidays, but unfortunately I had to stop it
because I had to do a lot of work at university and I still have to. I don't
know when I can continue lerning Objective-C and the GNUstep framework, but
at some point I will.
I am using Debian SID and when I last tried to install the GNUstep packages,
they did not work. I started to compile GUNstep from CVS, but then I didn't
have enough time to compile all of them and just forgot about it. But I will
try again, when I find some time.
Call me uninformed or stupid or uncritical or whatever, but if NEXT got it all
right and GNOME/KDE/Windows all wrong, why are people then using
GNOME/KDE/Windows and not Nextstep/GNUstep? Maybe people are just too stupid
to understand that they actually use badly designed UIs with bad usability
and only a few chosen ones like you see reality as it is. But maybe
GNOME/KDE/Windows UIs are not that bad and people use it because they offer
good applications and people can get their work done with it?
But anyway, like I said above, I don't have enough time to get involved in the
GNUstep project right now, so my opinion is irrelevant here anyway and your
email makes me realize that I shouldn't have written my comments to a
developper list where people discuss that actually code something or create
artwork. Sorry for bothering you
take care,
Michael
Re: Look and Feel, Alex Perez, 2005/02/14
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