Re: Toolbars (Was: Re: Unimplemented AppKit classes)

[Martin Häcker]

> Toolbars do not simplify anything -- they're an additional complication
> that gets in the way of getting useful work done.

You certainly take a very extreme point of view here on wich I want 
to ask you a question on.

I know the menu interface and like it _but_ what do you do when you 
have _lots_ and lots of commands to fit in there?

You obviously don't like Word and its menu layout, so I'l use another 
app as an example: "Maya". This app almost certainly has the _most_ 
menu commands that I've seen (at least 10 times as much as Word has) 
and they are _all_ needed.

They took a nice step and created a pie menu (which I like very much 
- but thats another thing) but - can you imagine how this looked in 
the old "Next Menu System"?

What do you do with this Interface if it has to hold so many commands 
to "Fix" it?
- Add Submenus? -> Crufty and hard to use with 3 levels of submenus.
- Add Dialog Boxes? -> Inflexible and "far" away as in clickcounts.
- Add something else?

Well... thats the point.

I do have nothing against the Next Way of doing these things, but I 
also believe that they (Next) solved problems that where at hand at 
that time and that we now today have to deal with a totally new 
problem of giving a massive feature load to the user without 
overloading individual parts of the interface.

And I think that the Next menu system would be _wealthily_ overloaded 
with just a fraction of Mayas menus.

Sorry for the rant.

cu Martin
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