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Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea)
From: |
Philippe C . D . Robert |
Subject: |
Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea) |
Date: |
Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:39:32 +0100 |
Nicola Pero <n.pero@mi.flashnet.it> wrote (Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:53:09 +0100
(CET)):
<snip>
> > - be fast
> > - have a small mem print
> > - be responsible only for drawing and handling windows
> > - offer virtual desktops
> > - *not* include extensions like a dock, config tools and so forth!
>
> If you configure window maker appropriately, it already does all this.
>
> My main point is (I am repeating myself here) that it is much more useful
> to write new gnustep applications rather than spend time attempting to
> write a new window manager in Objective-C. I'm under the suspicion that
> you don't realize that writing a good window manager is a completely non
> trivial task. If you invest the same effort into producing an end user
> application, you will benefit the project much more and you will have much
> more success.
Your suspicion is certainly wrong, I do realise the complexity of writing a
(good) window manager. And I also know that the applications are what the
project needs most. But on the other side, I have my doubts that GNUstep will
ever succeed (as an environment) if we do not provide sth the other desktop
can't provide: a unique and *better* feel, even on X11. You mention it
yourself, it's the existence of good applications that will drive the project
forward, but what you do not mention is that the user does *not* care about how
hard (or easy, elegant, ... you guess it) it was to write them - what I want to
say is that from the user's point of view, the API or whatever technical stuff
is involved is completely *irrelevant*. He/she simply does not care - as long
as the application itself does what he/she expects it to do. Thus I dare to say
that one of the most important 'killer apps' for GNUstep would be (or will
be?!) a brilliant, extraordinary workspace, which can't IMHO be done w/o
very tight integration with a special window manager, be it WM or whatever else.
<snip>
> * finish Gorm and Project Center.
Yes - more developers should jump in and help writing those apps.
> As you guess, IMO the real top priority now is simply producing end-user
> applications/products available in binary form; most of the tasks, if not
> all, are simply subprojects related to this.
Then we agree on that!...;-)
> After years on work concentrated on the framework, we really need to stop
> (for a while only :-) dreaming about rewriting all the system in
> Objective-C :-) and face the task of using our marvellous libraries to
> write end-user products running now on what is available now.
IMHO it is not about having a 100% pure ObjC window manager, it is about having
a '100% GNUstep aware' window manager!
cheers, Phil
--
Philippe C.D. Robert | http://www.nice.ch/~phip/
- GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), (continued)
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Nicola Pero, 2001/01/05
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Sungjin Chun, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), ]d, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Philippe C . D . Robert, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), ]d, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Nicola Pero, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea),
Philippe C . D . Robert <=
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Nicola Pero, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Helge Hess, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Philippe C . D . Robert, 2001/01/07
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), ]d, 2001/01/07
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Pascal J. Bourguignon, 2001/01/07
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), David Wetzel, 2001/01/07
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Dan Pascu, 2001/01/07
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Enrico Sersale, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Philippe C . D . Robert, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Enrico Sersale, 2001/01/06