Re: [avrdude-dev] Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Hosting requirements inavrdude

[Sylvain Beucler]

Mario,

Don't answer.  I don't think it would worth it.

I'll write something later as planned.

- Sylvain

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:26:53AM +1200, Michal Ludvig wrote:
> Nicely put, Eric!
> 
> In fact I'm glad for Mario to come over and wave hands like crazy. Such
> a behaviour from (presumably) an official GNU representative discredits
> Savannah from consideration of a hosting platform for my future open
> source projects. There's still too many platforms to choose from so
> thanks, Mario, to narrowing down the list and making the decision a bit
> easier ;-)
> 
> Michal
> 
> On 04/19/2010 08:49 AM, Weddington, Eric wrote:
> > 
> > We understand that there are hosting requirements for a project on 
> > Savannah. I don't even think that we have objections to them, even if we 
> > find one or two of them a bit silly, and that overall we would be willing 
> > to comply in some manner. 
> > 
> > I do think that there are several other issues here that need to be 
> > addressed:
> > 
> > 1. Identify who you are. I don't this Mario person at all. It would be 
> > helpful if he identified who he is, what organization is he from, and what 
> > the purpose of the email. Otherwise he comes across as every other 
> > opinionated person in the public, who would be duly ignored if he 
> > communicated that way.
> > 
> > 2. Try to have reasonably good English. If you're an admin, and speaking as 
> > an authority from some group, then it is helpful to have at least decent 
> > spelling. I understand that English is not everyone's first language; I 
> > regularly work on many free and open source projects with people from all 
> > around the world with varying degrees of command of the language. But with 
> > that many spelling errors in the email, I was beginning to wonder if this 
> > was a troll.
> > 
> > 3. Be specific. One should read Eric Raymond's "How to Ask Questions the 
> > Smart Way": <http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>. If you're 
> > going to tell us that something is wrong with the project, then please be 
> > specific as to what is wrong so we don't have to play "20 questions" to 
> > guess where it is at. Like all volunteer developers our time is always 
> > limited, and the more detailed you can be, the easier it is for us to fix 
> > it. Or maybe if someone is really motivated, patches are always welcome. ;-)
> > 
> > 4. Which brings me to my next point: DO NOT GO AND CHANGE ANYTHING ON THE 
> > PROJECT WITHOUT PERMISSION! This was *way over the line* and heavy-handed. 
> > The point is to communicate with us first! Give us time to work out the 
> > issues and get things fixed. If you come across as a dictator, then that 
> > makes us feel like our project is not welcome, and we *will* move elsewhere.
> > 
> > Bottom line: If you are unreasonable, then it gives us no incentive to be 
> > reasonable back. If you are reasonable, we will work towards fixing any 
> > perceived problems.
> > 
> > Eric Weddington
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: 
> >> address@hidden 
> >> [mailto:address@hidden
> >> rg] On Behalf Of Sylvain Beucler
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:10 PM
> >> To: address@hidden
> >> Cc: address@hidden
> >> Subject: [avrdude-dev] Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Hosting 
> >> requirements inavrdude
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Hmm, it looks like the situation somewhat got out of hands.
> >> Apologizes if you felt the request was worded unpolitely.
> >>
> >> We'll discuss the problem and come back to you in a while to clarify
> >> the situation.
> >>
> >> Regards,