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RE: [Paparazzi-devel] RE: distance measurement for landing.


From: gisela.noci
Subject: RE: [Paparazzi-devel] RE: distance measurement for landing.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:39:25 +0200

The radalt link is in fact NOT UWB; it is a conventional radalt, at microwave frequency, and works by varying the frequency of the transmitted pulse, and then looking at the difference in frequency of the transmitted pulse and the received pulse. The phase shift is in essence measured and the range calculated. This is the classic Doppler effect. Also, the implementation is by its very nature large, heavy and power hungry, maybe 10watts at least.

 

UWB is the transmission of a single, very fast ( less than 1 nanosecond) pulse, and then detecting is reflected return an measuring the time it took to go and come back; exactly the same as ultrasound ranging, except the transmission is at ‘light speed’ . If you have good oscilloscope and are an electronics hobbiest, you can put together a simple demonstrator; however, to do autoland with one requires it to be far more accurate, etc.

 

Regarding the webcam solution, fine for very short range (1 or 2 meters),  will not work in bright light ( CCD will saturate) and suffers the same problem as the ultrasound; poor reflectivity of the signal from the ground surface. ‘Real’ laser rangfinders use a high energy pulse of laser light, in the order of 10s of watts, sometimes even 100s of watts, for very short periods, also in the nanosecond or sub-nanosecond range. The rest is the same as for UWB, it is simply a time of flight measurement of the pulse to reach and reflect of a target, back to the source. High energy is needed because of poor ground reflectivity….As I said some mails ago, no magic bullet here..Yet…..

 

Joe

 


From: address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden On Behalf Of Sergey Lukin
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:51 PM
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] RE: distance measurement for landing.

 

Hi guys,

I'm following this discussion for couple of days and I became curious, aren't there any already existing solutions to the hight measurement problem? I mean budget solutions.

I have found two interesting links:
uwb
http://lea.hamradio.si/~s53mv/radalt/radalt.html
This one will definitely work (this guy made more than 100 safe landings), but requires a lot of knowledge in antena and high frequency devices design.

laser
http://sites.google.com/site/todddanko/home/webcam_laser_ranger
This seems to be much easier. What are the catches to it?

Do you have some more interesting links on this subject? Lets exchange.

Kind regards,

Sergey


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