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Re: Blog post on the Full-Source Bootstrap
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Janneke Nieuwenhuizen |
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Re: Blog post on the Full-Source Bootstrap |
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Fri, 28 Apr 2023 15:14:46 +0200 |
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Simon Tournier writes:
Hi Simon,
> On mer., 26 avril 2023 at 16:12, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://gnu.org/software/guix/blog/2023/the-full-source-bootstrap-building-from-source-all-the-way-down/
>
> Really cool!
Yeah, thanks!
> Maybe I misread the wording:
>
> If you run guix pull today, you get a package graph of more than
> 22,000 nodes rooted in a 357-byte program
> or
> First, while the package graph is rooted in a 357-byte program,
>
> Well, without being the accountant, considering the “more than 22,000
> nodes”, the revision fa685c8 contains ~23,000 packages and more than
> 1700 packages depends on GHC (Haskell) which is not bootstrapped from
> this 357-byte program, AFAIK.
Yeah, IWBN if someone would fix that and make the story more accurate
;-)
> $ guix refresh -l ghc@9.2 | cut -f1 -d':'
[..]
> In addition, that’s similar for ~450 packages relying on OCaml.
>
> Bah, I am nitpicking. Am I? :-)
Yeah, but most enjoyably so :-) Also, it's nice to know that someone
checked we're not telling too big a lie.
> What achievement this bootstrap story! Thanks to all the people
> involved. Back on FOSDEM 2017, I remember “Mes -- Maxwell's Equations
> of Software An attempt at dissolving bootstrap binaries” [1]. Thanks to
> this talk, I had this kind of revelation:
>
> Yes, that was the big revelation to me when I was in graduate
> school—when I finally understood that the half page of code on
> the bottom of page 13 of the Lisp 1.5 manual was Lisp in
> itself. These were “Maxwell’s Equations of Software!”
>
> – Alan Kay –
>
> Then, I got the point with Yogurt metaphor [2] on FOSDEM 2019. Anyway!
Lovely. Thanks for you comments, most appreciated!
Janneke
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