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Re: Blog post on the Full-Source Bootstrap
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Simon Tournier |
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Re: Blog post on the Full-Source Bootstrap |
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Thu, 27 Apr 2023 17:44:46 +0200 |
Hi Janneke,
On mer., 26 avril 2023 at 16:12, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> https://gnu.org/software/guix/blog/2023/the-full-source-bootstrap-building-from-source-all-the-way-down/
Really cool!
Maybe I misread the wording:
If you run guix pull today, you get a package graph of more than
22,000 nodes rooted in a 357-byte program
or
First, while the package graph is rooted in a 357-byte program,
Well, without being the accountant, considering the “more than 22,000
nodes”, the revision fa685c8 contains ~23,000 packages and more than
1700 packages depends on GHC (Haskell) which is not bootstrapped from
this 357-byte program, AFAIK.
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ guix refresh -l ghc@9.2 | cut -f1 -d':'
Building the following 569 packages would ensure 1712 dependent packages are
rebuilt
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Because Pandoc, it appears in many non-Haskell packages, here an example
about R and bioinformatics:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ guix show r-catalyst | recsel -p synopsis
synopsis: Cytometry data analysis tools
$ guix graph --path r-catalyst ghc@9.2 -t bag-emerged
r-catalyst@1.22.0
r-dplyr@1.1.1
r-pillar@1.9.0
r-utf8@1.2.3
r-rmarkdown@2.21
pandoc@2.19.2
ghc@9.2.5
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
In addition, that’s similar for ~450 packages relying on OCaml.
Bah, I am nitpicking. Am I? :-)
What achievement this bootstrap story! Thanks to all the people
involved. Back on FOSDEM 2017, I remember “Mes -- Maxwell's Equations
of Software An attempt at dissolving bootstrap binaries” [1]. Thanks to
this talk, I had this kind of revelation:
Yes, that was the big revelation to me when I was in graduate
school—when I finally understood that the half page of code on
the bottom of page 13 of the Lisp 1.5 manual was Lisp in
itself. These were “Maxwell’s Equations of Software!”
– Alan Kay –
Then, I got the point with Yogurt metaphor [2] on FOSDEM 2019. Anyway!
Thank you.
Cheers,
simon
1: https://archive.fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/guixsdbootstrap/
2: https://archive.fosdem.org/2019/schedule/speaker/jan_janneke_nieuwenhuizen/