Re: Compressed man pages (was: Accessibility of man pages (was: Playground pager lsp(1)))

[Kerin Millar]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:13:13 +0100
Sam James <sam@gentoo.org> wrote:

> 
> Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]]
> > [Added back linux-man@, and people that commented on this (sub)topic]
> > [Added Sam, I've got a question for you]
> >
> > Hi Alexis,
> >
> > Please keep (at least) linux-man@ in the loop.
> >
> > On 4/9/23 08:44, Alexis wrote:
> >> 
> >> As a related data point, i'd like to mention Gentoo's position on 
> >> this, i.e. that man pages will continue to be bzip2-compressed by
> >> default:
> >> 
> >> "app-text/mandoc bzip2 support"
> >> https://bugs.gentoo.org/854267
> >> 
> >> "Remove /usr/share/man from default inclusion list for docompress"
> >> https://bugs.gentoo.org/836367
> >
> > As Ingo said[1] 3 years ago, I don't think in this year it makes any
> > sense to compress pages anymore.  However, since it's simple for me
> > to add support for that, and it can be interesting for testing
> > purposes, I added support for installing the Linux man-pages
> > compressed with bzip2 using the Makefile[2].  While I was at it, I
> > also added support for generating .tar.bz2 release tarballs[3].
> >
> > With this, I was able to test a bit more than what I did yesterday:
> >
> >
> > $ sudo rm -rf /opt/local/man/
> > $ sudo make install-man prefix=/opt/local/man/gz_ -j LINK_PAGES=symlink 
> > Z=.gz | wc -l
> > 2570
> > $ sudo make install-man prefix=/opt/local/man/bz2 -j LINK_PAGES=symlink 
> > Z=.bz2 | wc -l
> > 2570
> > $ sudo make install-man prefix=/opt/local/man/man -j LINK_PAGES=symlink Z= 
> > | wc -l
> > 2570
> > $ du -sh /opt/local/man/*
> > 5.4M        /opt/local/man/bz2
> > 5.5M        /opt/local/man/gz_
> > 9.4M        /opt/local/man/man
> >
> >
> > $ export MANPATH=/opt/local/man/gz_/share/man
> > $ /bin/time -f %e dash -c "man -Kaw RLIMIT_NOFILE | wc -l"
> > 37
> > 0.31
> > $ /bin/time -f %e dash -c "find $MANPATH -type f | xargs zgrep -l 
> > RLIMIT_NOFILE | wc -l"
> > 17
> > 1.56
> > $ /bin/time -f %e dash -c "find $MANPATH -type f | xargs -P0 zgrep -l 
> > RLIMIT_NOFILE | wc -l"
> > 17
> > 1.56
> > $ /bin/time -f %e dash -c "find $MANPATH -type f | while read f; do zcat 
> > \$f | grep -l RLIMIT_NOFILE >/dev/null && echo \$f; done | wc -l"
> > 17
> > 1.24
> > $ /bin/time -f %e dash -c "find $MANPATH -type f | while read f; do gzip -d 
> > - <\$f | grep -l RLIMIT_NOFILE >/dev/null && echo \$f; done | wc -l"
> > 17
> > 1.14
> >
> >
> > $ export MANPATH=/opt/local/man/bz2/share/man
> > $ /bin/time -f %e dash -c "man -Kaw RLIMIT_NOFILE | wc -l"
> > 37
> > 10.90
> > $ /bin/time -f %e dash -c "find $MANPATH -type f | xargs bzgrep -l 
> > RLIMIT_NOFILE | wc -l"
> > 17
> > 1.33
> > $ /bin/time -f %e dash -c "find $MANPATH -type f | xargs -P0 bzgrep -l 
> > RLIMIT_NOFILE | wc -l"
> > 17
> > 1.31
> > $ /bin/time -f %e dash -c "find $MANPATH -type f | while read f; do bzcat 
> > \$f | grep -l RLIMIT_NOFILE >/dev/null && echo \$f; done | wc -l"
> > 17
> > 1.21
> > $ /bin/time -f %e dash -c "find $MANPATH -type f | while read f; do bzip2 
> > -d - <\$f | grep -l RLIMIT_NOFILE >/dev/null && echo \$f; done | wc -l"
> > 17
> > 1.22
> >
> >
> > $ export MANPATH=/opt/local/man/man/share/man
> > $ /bin/time -f %e dash -c "man -Kaw RLIMIT_NOFILE | wc -l"
> > 37
> > 0.56
> > $ /bin/time -f %e dash -c "find $MANPATH -type f | xargs grep -l 
> > RLIMIT_NOFILE | wc -l"
> > 17
> > 0.01
> > $ /bin/time -f %e dash -c "find $MANPATH -type f | xargs -P0 grep -l 
> > RLIMIT_NOFILE | wc -l"
> > 17
> > 0.01
> >
> > Weird thing: today, the symlink bug in man(1) was reproducible in
> > all kinds of pages, while yesterday it only reproduced in
> > uncompressed ones.
> >
> > Another weird thing: times today changed considerably for the
> > find(1) pipelines (half of yesterday's).  It's not a thing of
> > using dash(1), because I get similar times with bash(1) and its
> > builtin time(1).
> >
> > Important note: Sam, are you sure you want your pages compressed
> > with bz2?  Have you seen the 10 seconds it takes man-db's man(1) to
> > find a word in the pages?  I suggest that at least you try to
> > reproduce these tests in your machine, and see if it's just me or
> > man-db's man(1) is pretty bad at non-gz pages.
> >
> > Test results:
> >
> > -  man-db's man(1) is slower with plain man(7) source than with .gz
> >    pages for some misterious reason.
> >
> > -  man-db's man(1) is turtle slow with .bz2 pages.
> 
> I started looking into changing to xz (or just.. not bz2, anyway),
> partially motivated by https://gitlab.com/man-db/man-db/-/issues/4 /
> just interest locally (without having done measurements to see if it
> would be worth a global change) and the xz maintainer ended up
> recommending a different implementation to how man-db currently handles
> external utilties entirely (which I have a draft of).
> 
> The xz author had some suggestions on the best parameters to use
> for man pages too which I need to look into and dig up...
> 
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/169260 was an interesting discussion
> about our choice of bz2 (it came up a bit in
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/372653 too).

Oh, I remember this. Soon after #372653 was closed, I experimented further and 
found xz --lzma2=preset=6e,pb=0 to be more effective than bzip -9, both in 
terms of compression ratio and subsequent decompression performance, so I used 
those settings for a time. Nowadays, I would be more concerned with the time 
taken to render a man page than in reducing the footprint of the installed 
documentation.

> 
> (I'll get back and read the rest of the thread later, but wanted
> to add this tidbit.)
> 
> Definitely surprised to learn bz2 is *that* bad though!
> 
> best,
> sam

-- 
Kerin Millar