Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Re: Freedom issues with non-free firmware in external files

[Daniel Olivera]

Yavor Doganov escribió:
> Daniel Olivera wrote:
>> Consideration is a personal opinion.
> 
> Of course it is a personal opinion.  Ututo is not an
> ebuild/compilation bot/farm, right?  The technical and philosophical
> decisions a distro makes is essentially what makes it a different
> distro.
> 

But accorging to 4 freedoms not my personal opinion or consideration.

if have 4 freedoms is free software and can be present in ututo xs.
if not ututo reject a packages.

That's de line.
Line never be my personal opinion.

> I am not going to even attempt to teach you how to run your own
> distro, that would be ridiculuous.  But it really looks like we are
> misunderstanding each other.
> 
>> If have 4 freedoms is free software.
>> For us that is de "line"
> 
> So you say that a free program that is only usable in conjuction with
> a non-free one is OK to use (and distribute)?
> 

Usable or not if some package have 4 freedoms is free software.
If not our conferences may be other.
According to that you say.

In any case, if all users will be use a "personal opinion" all users
could decide about non-free software using "personal opinion".

We vill never block software. User could be use "personal opinion"

>> Only if system provider distribute a non-free software.
> 
> You are the system provider.
> 

No.
UTUTO is the system provider.
Al packages in ututo xs repository have 4 freedoms, operative or not
ututo xs only distribute 4 freedoms packages.

>>>> iwl3945 driver is GPL-2 and don't need any non-free component to
>>>> compile.
>>> Yeah, everything is bundled with the "source".
> 
>> No.
>> GPL-2 module with in the kernel.
>> firmware is distributed by others.
>> Are 2 different software packages.
> 
> Forgive me my lack of knowledge about wireless technologies.  So, if
> I get it right, iwl3945 is a free driver distributed with the Linux
> kernel that cannot possibly work without non-free firmware distributed
> by others (Intel)?  If so, it is a perfect example of something that
> should be purged.
> 

Al modules or software packages what need to compilation process any
non-free software are non-free software.
Example of this is a first release of java with GPL-2 license.
This package need 2 .jar files releases with license special not with 4
freedoms.


>> UTUTO not distribute any software if this software don't have 4
>> freedoms according to FSF definition of free software.
> 
> I strongly encourage you to (re-)read the other materials at
> http://gnu.org/philosophy.  The free software definition is only a
> starting point, and I dare to say that you simply cannot evaluate
> packages in isolation, without taking into account their runtime (and
> build) dependencies.  At least the Savannah Hackers do this painful
> excercise, and I'm unpleasantly surprised that Ututo does not.
> 

This hackers, and this Gnu Project and other free software fighter never
create a free system.
All rules, All software, all hackers, all gurus, all free software
moviment never use a 100% free system.

I create this system.

I first hacker from free software moviment what compile and put only
free software in one CD are me.

you don't need teach about the history, I write de history.



Regards

happy hacking!!
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