Re: [POLL] Should we accept breaking changes to get rid of Org libraries that perform side effects when loading?

[Samuel Wales]

unable to do much of a search atm.  but i recall 3-4 org vars that
used to say so in their docstrings but didn't seem to need to be to me
at the time.  perhaps they have been fixed or i was mistaken.

regexp components docstring in bugfix still say reload or restart.
biut mayube that is obsolete.

i found possible examples in appt and ediff bot those are not org.  so
perhaps this is a case where the problem no longer exists?  8if so,
then never mind that comment about guideline for not requiring setting
before org where possible.

perhaps these are unavoidable.

bugfix .el
g set *.el|g before|g load
org-fold-core.el:Important: This variable must be set before loading Org."
org-keys.el:Needs to be set before Org is loaded.
org-list.el:This variable needs to be set before org.el is loaded.  If you
org-list.el:This variable needs to be set before org.el is loaded.  If you
org-persist.el:This variable must be set before loading org-persist library.")
org.el:This variable needs to be set before org.el is loaded.  If you
org.el:This variable needs to be set before org.el is loaded, and you need to


On 8/13/23, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> wrote:
> Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> 3.
>>
>> istr loading org-id is or was what enables org-ids?  i'd rather have
>> org-id work by default.  OR maybe require activating.
>
> org-id is mostly fine, except that it (1) adds a new link type. (2) adds
> a hook that saves ids before exiting Emacs.
> In general, it is not too different in its design to other link type
> providers. The only difference is better support in other Org core
> libraries, but it only plays when a user customized org-id to take
> preference over other built-in link types - not a problem for users who
> do not use org-id.
>
>> 4.
>>
>> idk if related, but some settings in org must be done before loading.
>> i'd want a guideline in which, where possible, settings can be done
>> after loading.  this is because the user might need to go through
>> contortions in .emacs.  a user can do with-eval-after-load, but
>> with-eval-before-load sounds radically grotesque.
>
> Please, list the settings you have in mind. Some things, like
> configuring Org syntax, must be loaded before Org because we have no
> other way around.
>
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