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Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture
From: |
Bruno Barbier |
Subject: |
Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture |
Date: |
Sun, 12 Feb 2023 10:22:10 +0100 |
Hi Arthur,
Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com> writes:
> Bruno Barbier <brubar.cs@gmail.com> writes:
>
> ... but I feel a
> bit of passive aggressivity here, for no good reason tbh.
I'm just trying to help, giving some valid or invalid advices. I'm
sorry that what I wrote, and how I wrote it, made you feel that way.
>>
>> Yes, let binding is fundamental. But I think it's the first time I see
>> 'cl-letf' with the 'symbol-function' place.
>
> https://nullprogram.com/blog/2017/10/27/
> https://endlessparentheses.com/understanding-letf-and-how-it-replaces-flet.html
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39550578/in-emacs-what-is-the-difference-between-cl-flet-and-cl-letf
>
Thanks for these links. I like cl-flet and cl-labels :-)
>>> but I am not sure if I can do anything here without introducing at-least an
>>> extra keymap, to not install into the org-capture-mode-map, so I can as well
>>> create a minor mode, but at this point it is not much different than
>>> re-invinting the read-string, so I'll terminate my experiment here :).
>>
>> You can replace the buffer keymap with a keymap that only contain your custom
>> keys, and inherits everything else from org-capture-mode-map.
>
> Isn't that what I wrote: introducing an extra keymap?
> Of course I can solve the problem differently, but that was not what question
> was about :).
Right. Even when inheriting from the old keymap, it's still building a
new keymap. Sorry :-)
> Well, I definitely understand you, and agree that overwriting function for
> everyone and everything is not the best idea, but unfortunately bindings work
> as
> they do in Emacs. I would prefer to have a local binding, with cl-flet, but
> this
> does not work in Emacs:
>
> (defun my-read-string (prompt)
> (let ((delta 20 )
> (minibuffer-mode-map org-mode-map))
> (window-resize (minibuffer-window) delta)
> (cl-flet ((org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c ()
> (interactive)
> (let ((s (buffer-string)))
> (exit-minibuffer) s))
> (minibuffer-mode () #'org-mode)
> (minibuffer-complete-and-exit () #'org-return)
> (org-kill-note-or-show-branches () #'keyboard-escape-quit))
> (read-string (concat "# Press C-c C-c to continue, C-c C-k to cancel\n#
> "
> prompt "\n\n")))))
Yes. cl-flet looks safe to me :-)
>
> Hooks serve a different purpose. Advice can serve same purpose with exactly
> same side effect, and some other limitations. With some care, let-binding is
> still more "local" then advice. With other words, I agree with you about the
> problems, but not with dogmatic approach that it should never be done, and
> that hooks and advices are the replacement.
Sorry if my words sounding dogmatic.
Else, I agree too :-)
>>
>>> I am very interested to hear more on the topic, since I would definitely
>>> like to
>>> learn more about different techniques.
>>
>> Variables are designed to be overriden (let bounds). Functions are not
>
> I have never heard before that functions are not designed to be overriden. I
> think of them as two slots in a symbol structure; let creates bindings for
> value
> slot, and flet for function slot. Functions are just objects or data as any
> other value in lisp.
>
>> (as there is only one binding at any given time).
>
> Yes, unfortunately, in Emacs it is so;
ok. We do really agree then :-)
> but I don't think it should be > :).
... oh no ! ;-)
>
> There is an interesting package by Nick Ferrier
>
> https://github.com/nicferrier/emacs-noflet
> but it does not seem to work, at least not for me.
It's almost like a temporary advice ;-)
About your use case, if what you need is asynchronous editing, maybe the
with-editor package will be of interest to you:
https://github.com/magit/with-editor/blob/main/lisp/with-editor.el
It allows sub-processes to call Emacs for editing tasks. It's used by
magit. It's easy enough to reuse. I've attached my attempt at it if
you're interested.
best,
Bruno
draft.el
Description: my-edit-async draft
> regards
> /a
- Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Arthur Miller, 2023/02/10
- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Ruijie Yu, 2023/02/10
- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Bruno Barbier, 2023/02/10
- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Arthur Miller, 2023/02/11
- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Bruno Barbier, 2023/02/11
- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Arthur Miller, 2023/02/11
- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Bruno Barbier, 2023/02/11
- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Arthur Miller, 2023/02/12
- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture,
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- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Arthur Miller, 2023/02/12
- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Ihor Radchenko, 2023/02/12
- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Bruno Barbier, 2023/02/13
- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Arthur Miller, 2023/02/15
- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Bruno Barbier, 2023/02/15
- RE: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, arthur miller, 2023/02/15
- Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Bruno Barbier, 2023/02/13
Re: Problem with let/cl-letf binding stuff with org-capture, Ihor Radchenko, 2023/02/11