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Re: Changes for emacs 28
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Yuan Fu |
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Re: Changes for emacs 28 |
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Sun, 6 Sep 2020 14:22:26 -0400 |
>
> I just mentioned some default changes that will not require almost any
> extra implementation and functionalities that have already been there
> for many years. I am just thinking in the first impression for new
> users...
>
> The reaction has been as expected but I needed to mention them just to
> see which ones could or couldn't be at least considered. So I don't
> waste time with the others.
>
> Sorry but I can't understand why "old" users, that can write lisp lines
> easily to their configs, can't understand that for new users (and
> younger ones) those lines sometimes takes hours or days (mainly because
> they don't know what/where/how to look for, and lisp is not so
> popular or familiar these days). And that the first impression when they
> open emacs is like going back to 1998.
> I know that ideally the users should read the documentation, learn lisp,
> pass the tutorial and so on... but in real live if the first impression
> is not good we just scare away them before they discover the power of
> emacs. Mainly because there are many alternatives easier to start with.
>
> It is just my opinion.
> I won't insist on this anymore.
>
> Best,
> Ergus.
>
AFAICT, those changes wouldn’t have enough support (if any) here. Instead, what
about compiling a separate Emacs that has all these “good modern
features/options” enabled? We can even go further and compile a shiny and truly
out-of-the-box Emacs. The problem is, of course, people with the skill don’t
care about this, and people need/want this don’t have the skill.
Yuan
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, (continued)
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Andrea Corallo, 2020/09/07
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, tomas, 2020/09/07
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Elias Mårtenson, 2020/09/07
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, tomas, 2020/09/08
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Bastien, 2020/09/07
Re: Changes for emacs 28, Eli Zaretskii, 2020/09/06
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Ergus, 2020/09/06
- Re: Changes for emacs 28,
Yuan Fu <=
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Alfred M. Szmidt, 2020/09/06
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Ergus, 2020/09/06
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Gregory Heytings, 2020/09/06
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Ricardo Wurmus, 2020/09/07
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Gregory Heytings, 2020/09/07
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Ricardo Wurmus, 2020/09/07
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Joost Kremers, 2020/09/07
Re: Changes for emacs 28, Dmitry Gutov, 2020/09/07
Re: Changes for emacs 28, Juri Linkov, 2020/09/09
Re: Changes for emacs 28, Alfred M. Szmidt, 2020/09/06