Re: Installation script

[Ondrej Florian]

Hi Thomas,

Making sure different applications and frameworks play well together was/is my 
main motivation for GSDE.
If you want to see how services / scripting can (or should) all work together, 
GSDE is probably the only place right now.
Support for NSDataLink across all applications is the next ;-)

...there is a lot of cool stuff you can do with it, like using GORM to create 
simple UIs for shell scripts 
Great for creating app wrappers with GNUstep menus and all that stuff.
Or display man pages or gsdoc in the HelpViewer using GNUstep filters.  :-) 

However, in order to make it all work, GSDE has to make a lot of assumptions 
and not everyone is going to be happy with the choices made. Therefore, it is 
not substitute for more generic build/installation script as I explained 
earlier.

The upside is that it makes finding and fixing bugs easier. You have all the 
sources available, everything is configured in the same way, etc.


Thanks,
Ondrej

On 2024-03-11 12:13:58 +0100 Thomas <t.heckert@gmx.de> wrote:

> Hi Ondrej,
> 
> ok, sounds logical.
> One point: Couldn´t it be useful for the normal unexperienced LINUX user to 
> include his „normal“ application menue path from Debian so that his 
> experience wouldn´t be so strange as he find all standard apps he know 
> (LibreOffice etc.)? By the way I have some Questions ;-). The Service parts 
> from the main menue (GWorkspace) don´t work at all, right (for instance 
> starting a new task in Simple Agenda)? Is it a task for Smalltalk (Steptalk)? 
> How can it be fixed?  In Gorm there is the effect that Gorm completely shuts 
> down when you test an unsafed project and try to end this test with shortcut 
> #q…. don´t know the reason. Also the Icons a a little misplaced in the 
> windows…..
> Some glitches are in the presentation in GWorkspace, Gorm etc.  for instance 
> if you have switched to other languages than English the Spaces in the 
> textfields often don´t fit.
> How can I help? ;-).
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
>> Am 06.03.2024 um 16:33 schrieb Ondrej Florian <onflapp@yahoo.com>:
> 
>> Hi Thomas,
> 
>> I'll try to merge some of those changes back into GSDE fork but as both 
>> forks are starting to diverge in significant way, this will become hard to 
>> do down the road.
> 
>> There already few areas that make plain-vanilla WindowMaker not compatible 
>> with GSDE desktop.
>> For example: focus and menu management code, dock and scripting 
>> functionality.
> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ondrej
> 
>> On 2024-03-04 09:04:30 +0100 Thomas <t.heckert@gmx.de> wrote:
> 
>>> Hi Ondrej,
>>> referring to your WM. Your fork is from WindowMaker 0.95.9  How can  I 
>>> update to 0.96 as there are some enhancements in the original?
>>> Best regards
>>> Thomas
>>>> Am 02.03.2024 um 08:37 schrieb Ondrej Florian <onflapp@yahoo.com>:
>>>> Hi Nikolaus,
>>>> GSDE install scripts go far beyond just installing GNUstep libraries and 
>>>> build environment.
>>>> Its purpose is to provide complete desktop environment so those scripts 
>>>> pull in a lot of dependencies, etc.
>>>> In addition, these scripts are very "opinionated" as to how everything 
>>>> should be setup and come together.
>>>> For example:
>>>> - hard requirement for X11
>>>> - it comes with its fork of WindowMaker as WM
>>>> - /Application, /Libraries type of directory layout
>>>> - patches for GNUstep libraries
>>>> Considering all of this, dedicated build scripts for GNUstep is still 
>>>> very much needed, especially if you want to do cross-platform 
>>>> development.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ondrej
>>>> On 2024-02-25 00:47:28 +0000 H. Nikolaus Schaller <hns@goldelico.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Nice. Will try asap on different architectures (arm64, armel, armhf, 
>>>>> i386, mipsel) and different Debian flavours.
>>>>> How is it related to https://onflapp.github.io/gs-desktop/index.html 
>>>>> resp. https://github.com/onflapp/gs-desktop which is also a set of 
>>>>> scripts to install GNUstep on Debian systems? Does it also provide some 
>>>>> "Desktop" experience?
>>>>> BR,
>>>>> Nikolaus
>>>>>> Am 24.02.2024 um 23:36 schrieb Ethan Charoenpitaks 
>>>>>> <echaroenpitaks@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>         I've written an installation script for GNUstep, which has been 
>>>>>> tested so far on recent Debian and Ubuntu derivatives. It should be 
>>>>>> easily portable to any distribution, so long as you can determine the 
>>>>>> correct commands to install all the dependencies and clang-14. It will 
>>>>>> just install from source, installing all the files into 
>>>>>> /usr/GNUstep/System and /usr/GNUstep/Local. It's based on @plaurent's 
>>>>>> gnustep-build scripts <https://github.com/plaurent/gnustep-build>, but 
>>>>>> has been heavily modified to only have one script that applies to all 
>>>>>> distributions. I would appreciate it if anyone would be willing to try 
>>>>>> it out, or to port it to other distributions. It is probably also 
>>>>>> portable to other Unixes, but might not be applicable to Windows, iOS, 
>>>>>> or Android.
>>>>>> To install GNUstep from source, please cd to the directory in which you 
>>>>>> want to store GNUstep's source code, and run the following script:
>>>>>> wget -qO- 
>>>>>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ethanc8/gnustep-build/master/generic/build.sh
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> | bash
>>>>>> If you want to customize the installation paramaters (for example, to 
>>>>>> install an older version of the libraries, to install from git master, 
>>>>>> or to disable the applications), please do the following:
>>>>>> git clone https://github.com/ethanc8/gnustep-build
>>>>>> nano generic/build.sh # Or your favorite text editor
>>>>>> ./generic/build.sh
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Ethan
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