Re: Consider GtkCore as UI

[Hugo Melder]

Well put!

> On 19. Dec 2023, at 15:03, Riccardo Mottola <riccardo.mottola@libero.it> 
> wrote:
> 
> Bruce,
> 
> bruce wrote:
>> Gregory, respectfully, I’ve been trying gnustep for the last decade,
>> waiting for it to be ready, and getting frustrated. During that time
> 
> The only thing that happens if you wait watching the water flowing of a
> river is that in theory your enemy will pass along...
> The only way to fix bugs is to report them and work on them. At least
> know if other shave the same issue!
> If nobody has your issue, it will never get solved by itself! Obvious,
> isn't it?
> I am working on gnustep for two decades... so I beat you. And I assure
> you, it improved powerful.-----
> 
>> I’ve had 5 different computers, and used about 10 linux distros, and the
>> place I find gnustep working tolerably is on freebsd-xfce. Not too many
> 
> I run it currently on dozen of systems, most various, from a Raspberry 3
> to Sun Sparcstations and even Netra racks, BSDs and Linux, gcc and clang
> runtimes, various graphics.
> 
> On most GNUstep applications (e.g. GWorkspace, Gorm, ProjectCenter) to
> GAP applications no bad display bugs. I mostly use WindowMaker and too
> use XFCE.
> 
>> artifacts, themes are working, but it still doesn’t integrate to the
>> desktop - that’s a design issue , and I’m not asking you to change that,
>> just consider an alternative.
> 
> I use XFCE, you can integrate quite decently with it regarding menus:
> switch to in-window menus. Mini-windows can be disabled.
> If you write your app, you can handle the no-main-window situation as
> you prefer. There is a specific bug with copy&paste, but we are working
> on it.
> 
> You can consider your alternative for your need, I don't need it: I am
> fixing and improving what I have now.
> 
>> 
>> The artifact problems I refer to have been there all along, and I’ve
>> talked on several forums to other users that run into them too. If no
>> one on the project has ever noticed these issues, I don’t know what to say.
> 
> Since we have no official forums, it is elsewhere. You keep continuing
> to be very generic. Best is if you can refer the bug to specific, public
> application, else, a test app needs to be provided.
> 
>> I bring up the archaic menu and there are 2 camps - one says use
>> WindowMaker, and the other longs for something more modern - so I’m
>> suggesting that you can kill 2 birds with one stone by using
>> CoreGTK.framework
> 
> You are free to kill any bird you want. I don't need kill any and you
> have the freedom to use CoreGTK.framework for your needs! You can also
> write a QT framework, a wayland backend... GNUstep core is divided in
> libraries and bundles, use what you need.
> 
> Different is want me to follow your ideas.
> 
> Riccardo
>