Not sure it was clear in my message, but I agree with
Louis.
MaX.
address@hidden
wrote on 07/05/2009 12:47:41:
> Hi, >
> My feeling is that unless a user has requested "tutoring"
he should not see
> analysis of his moves/cubeplay during a game. (Not sure about
> analysis of lucky rolls.) The analysis can be done during the game
> if that will save time later, but the results should not be
> displayed to the user unless he wants them. >
> Louis >
>
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> From: "Massimiliano Maini" <address@hidden>
> To: "christian anthon" <address@hidden>
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>
> address@hidden wrote on
> 06/05/2009 16:29:20:
>
> > Why things work the way they do:
> >
> > a) it is desirable to analyse the computer player as you go along,
> > so as not to waste time during analysis after the game.
> > b) it is desirable to keep the analysis and the annotation in
sync.
> > c) a double/no double analysis has to include a take/pass analysis
> > to get the right action
> > d) the take analysis belong with the double analysis so as not
to waste time
>
> I do agree without hesitation on points b, c and d. Not really on
point a.
> Users may want to have gnubg playing at, let's say, World Class since
nowadays
> it's fast, but they may want to have the anlysis at GrandMaster.
> A slow analysis after the match is probably affordable, but not slow
play.
>
> > For the computer the following is done
> > before roll:
> > a 0-ply assessment of our position in the double window. If this
is
> > false no further double analysis is done, if true a full n-ply
> > double/no double // take/drop analysis is done.
> > after roll:
> > luck determination
> >
> > For the human player analysis is only done when the tutor is
on.
> >
> > So what get's annotated when tutor is off is
> > A1) computer luck
> > A2) computer errors if the decision differs from a stored evaluation
> > B) player take/pass decisions (annotated, but not interrupted)
> > B1) Any decision where analysis is stored. That is if you for
> > example do hint on a chequer move and still choose an inferior
move,
> > it gets annotated, but not interrupted.
> >
> > What has been changed is b)
> >
> > What I suggest when tutor is off:
> >
> > a) not doing luck analysis
> > b) not storing the double analysis obtained from the computer
move
> >
> > It will cost a bit of time when analysing, but should otherwise
be ok.
>
> To me, no tutor should mean no analysis at all (neither luck nor cubes,
> in or out of the doubling window).
>
>
> Thinking about all this stuff raised a few quetions/remarks in my
mind:
>
> 1. I think I've already reported this a while ago: in the options
> window (settings/options/tutor) I have a draw bug: the frame "Tutor
> decisions" is too small and/or empty. See it here:
>
> http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images-100/tutorbug,
> 083b33b2d8dfb9273ce0693e94deaf29.png.html
>
>
> 2. Actually the whole tutor thing is in fact the union of 2 different
> things: "on the fly analysis" (decision by decision instead
of at the
> end of the match), plus the warning mechanism in case of errors (only
> applicable for human players, of course).
>
> "on the fly analysis" is, to me, a feature by itself: it
slows a bit
> the playing pace but at the end of the game/session/match the analysis
> is already available, no wait to know your error rate.
>
> I would go for:
>
> 1 option for "on the fly analysis" (both players,
whether gnubg or human)
> Values: none / same as eval / same as
analysis
> 1 option for tutor (on human players)
> values: warn on doubtful / bad / very
bad / never
>
> Tutor option disabled if "on the fly analysis" is none.
>
> Minor remark: when "on the fly analysis" is ON, as soon
as a game (or
> the entire match) is over we should have all the stats just like if
an
> entire analysis is run: per game (and per match, if over) totals,
error
> rates etc. If "on the fly analysis" is ON, there should
be no need to
> (re)analyze the match/session/game again.
>
> 3. A final word about terminolgy: currently it's a bit misleading.
> The "Evaluation" settings act on the Hint command.
> My proposed "on the fly analysis" option can be set as "same
as Analysis"
> or "same as Evaluation". Weird.
>
> I would do the following:
>
> - rename the current "Settings/Evaluation" to "Settings/Hint"
> - rename my "on the fly analysis" as "on the fly evaluation",
with possible
> values none / same as hint / same as analysis
>
> MaX.
>
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