Re: [xougen] Adding cruft to X

[William Lahti]

On Sunday 07 September 2003 11:24 am, address@hidden wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> You do have a good point, keep X simple, well focused and to the point;
> however, is sound support so far off from graphics, from the desktop? 
> Perhaps an extension to X for sound would be the way to go.  In anyevent,
> it comes down to the user experience and making things easy and coherrent
> for the user.

You need to check out MAS please. 
The UNIX way has always to be to seperate the technology into different parts. 
It makes sense too, because for example the sound server could be disabled 
with a quick killall, while in order to disable sound in X and save the 
memory etc one would have to use the X specific APIs.

> When I first starting planing around with the network aspects of X, XMMS
> was one of the first things that I tried out.  I thot it was kind of cool
> that I could (at the time) telnet into my desktop box and control its sound
> output from another box on my local network.  What would be really cool is
> having "networked" sound and "sound server" boxes that are little more than
> speakers, decoding hardware, and a network connection ... hmmm .... sounds
> like a project for school.  Perhaps this already exists ....

And why would the sound server need to be in X? I believe aRts is network 
transparent (or one of lthe currently available sound servers). And if none 
are, then MAS *is*.

> Just my $0.04

You must mean 2 cents.

> :)
>
> David
>
> PS  Sorry about my poor spelling, but I am being forced to use webmail at
> teh moment cuz my computer is boxed up. :(
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Nickolas <address@hidden>
> Date: Sunday, September 7, 2003 7:04 am
> Subject: [xougen] Adding cruft to X
>
> > Okay, I frequent the chat room, but I'm new here.  Nevertheless, I
> > will
> > state my strong opinions about adding sound and widget support to
> > the X
> > server.
> >
> > Adding these things to X goes entirely against the spirit of X.
> > If
> > something is to be done that "embraces and extends" in such a way,
> > I am
> > not for it.
> >
> > Sure, there should be a standard widget set, but it shouldn't be
> > part of
> > X.  X's job is merely a portable network-based graphics-rendering
> > engine
> > at its core, simply a minimalist windowing system.  And I don't
> > believe
> > in cruft.
> >
> > And, notice I said "graphics-rendering".  Sound is not its
> > concern.
> > Yes, it would help to have a standard sound system, but it has
> > nothing
> > to do with X.
> >
> > http://www.mediaapplicationserver.net/ would probably be more up
> > your alley.
> >
> > I know I am not alone in this.
> >
> > -uso.
> >
> >
> >
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