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+<!--#set var="PO_FILE"
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<h2>GNU/Linux: Häufige Fragen<br />- von Richard Stallman beantwortert</h2>
<div class="announcement">
@@ -1715,7 +1721,7 @@
<p class="unprintable"><!-- timestamp start -->
Letzte Ãnderung:
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<h2>Domande ricorrenti su GNU/Linux, di Richard Stallman</h2>
<div class="announcement">
@@ -1641,7 +1647,7 @@
<p class="unprintable"><!-- timestamp start -->
Ultimo aggiornamento:
-$Date: 2018/12/15 14:46:08 $
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@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
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-<!-- Parent-Version: 1.84 -->
+<!-- Parent-Version: <span
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class="inserted"><ins><em>1.90</em></ins></span> -->
<title>GNU/Linux FAQ
- GNU Project - Free Software Foundation</title>
<!--#include virtual="/gnu/po/gnu-linux-faq.translist" -->
@@ -37,7 +37,7 @@
<li><a href="#whycare">Why is the name
important?</a></li>
-<li><a href="#what">What is the real relationship between GNU and
<span
class="removed"><del><strong>Linux</a></li></strong></del></span>
<span class="inserted"><ins><em>Linux?</a></li></em></ins></span>
+<li><a href="#what">What is the real relationship between GNU and
Linux?</a></li>
<li><a href="#howerror">How did it come about that most
people call the system “Linux”?</a></li>
@@ -109,7 +109,11 @@
“GNU/Linux” is five syllables. People won't use such a
long term. Shouldn't you find a shorter one?</a></li>
-<li><a href="#justgnu">Since Linux is a secondary
+<li><a <span class="inserted"><ins><em>href="#long4">Stallman
doesn't ask us to call him
+ “Richard Matthew Stallman” every the time.
+ So why ask us to say “GNU/Linux” every
time?</a></li>
+
+<li><a</em></ins></span> href="#justgnu">Since Linux is a secondary
contribution, would it be false to the facts to call the system
simply “GNU”?</a></li>
@@ -125,7 +129,11 @@
credit too? (But that would lead to a name so long it is
absurd.)</a></li>
-<li><a href="#others">Many other projects contributed to
+<li><a <span class="inserted"><ins><em>href="#systemd">Systemd
plays an important role in the GNU/Linux
+ system as it is today; are we obligated to call it
+ GNU/Systemd/Linux?</a></li>
+
+<li><a</em></ins></span> href="#others">Many other projects
contributed to
the system as it is today, but they don't insist on calling it
XYZ/Linux. Why should we treat GNU specially?</a></li>
@@ -140,7 +148,10 @@
“GNU/Linux” instead of “GNU
Linux”?</a></li>
-<li><a href="#whyorder">Why “GNU/Linux”
+<li><a <span class="inserted"><ins><em>href="#pronounce">How is
the name “GNU/Linux”
+pronounced?</a></li>
+
+<li><a</em></ins></span> href="#whyorder">Why
“GNU/Linux”
rather than “Linux/GNU”?</a></li>
<li><a href="#distronames0">My distro's developers call it
@@ -179,7 +190,7 @@
<li><a href="#wait">Why did you wait so long before
asking people to use the name GNU/Linux?</a></li>
-<li><a href="#allgpled">Should the <span
class="removed"><del><strong>GNU/[name]</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>GNU/<i>name</i></em></ins></span>
convention
+<li><a href="#allgpled">Should the GNU/<i>name</i>
convention
be applied to all programs that are GPL'ed?</a></li>
<li><a href="#unix">Since much of GNU comes from Unix,
@@ -200,10 +211,10 @@
<li><a href="#linuxsyswithoutgnu">Are there complete Linux systems
[sic] without GNU?</a></li>
-<li><a <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>href="#usegnulinuxandandroid">Is it correct to say
“using
+<li><a href="#usegnulinuxandandroid">Is it correct to say
“using
Linux” if it refers to using GNU/Linux and using
Android?</a></li>
-<li><a</em></ins></span> href="#helplinus">Why not call the system
+<li><a href="#helplinus">Why not call the system
“Linux” anyway, and strengthen Linus Torvalds' role as
posterboy for our community?</a></li>
@@ -436,9 +447,8 @@
those values of freedom brought the system into existence.
</dd>
-<dt id="everyoneknows">Since everyone knows
- <span class="removed"><del><strong>GNU's</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>the</em></ins></span> role
- <span class="inserted"><ins><em>of GNU</em></ins></span> in developing the
system, doesn't the “GNU/” in the
+<dt id="everyoneknows">Since everyone knows the role
+ of GNU in developing the system, doesn't the “GNU/” in the
name go without saying? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#everyoneknows">#everyoneknows</a>)</span></dt>
<dd>Experience shows that the system's users, and the computer-using
@@ -701,7 +711,22 @@
“Unfortunately” is five syllables, yet people show no
sign of reluctance to use that word.</p></dd>
-<dt id="justgnu">Since Linux is a secondary
+<dt <span class="inserted"><ins><em>id="long4">Stallman doesn't ask us
to call him
+ “Richard Matthew Stallman” every the time.
+ So why ask us to say “GNU/Linux” every time?
+ <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#long4">#long4</a>)</span></dt>
+<dd>
+<p>Omitting “Matthew” does not misrepresent anything
+important about Stallman's nature, origin, ideas or purpose. Omitting
+“GNU” does misrepresent those things about the GNU/Linux
+system.</p>
+
+<p>This is an example of a frequent way of hiding a fallacy: to bury
+it inside a misleading analogy. A better analogy would be, “Why
+shouldn't we call Stallman ‘Torvalds’?”
+</p></dd>
+
+<dt</em></ins></span> id="justgnu">Since Linux is a secondary
contribution, would it be false to the facts to call the system simply
“GNU”? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#justgnu">#justgnu</a>)</span></dt>
@@ -777,7 +802,17 @@
(Linux) while omitting the principal contribution (GNU).</p>
</dd>
-<dt id="others">Many other projects contributed to
+<dt <span class="inserted"><ins><em>id="systemd">Systemd plays an
important role in the GNU/Linux
+ system as it is today; are we obligated to call it
+ GNU/Systemd/Linux? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#others">#others</a>)</span></dt>
+
+<dd>
+Systemd is a fairly important component, but not as important as the
+kernel (Linux), nor as important as the basis of the system as a whole
+(GNU).
+</dd>
+
+<dt</em></ins></span> id="others">Many other projects contributed to
the system as it is today, but they don't insist on calling it
XYZ/Linux. Why should we treat GNU specially? <span
class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#others">#others</a>)</span></dt>
@@ -864,7 +899,17 @@
say “GNU con Linux”.</p>
</dd>
-<dt id="whyorder">Why “GNU/Linux” rather
+<dt <span class="inserted"><ins><em>id="pronounce">How is the name
“GNU/Linux”
+pronounced? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#pronounce">#pronounce</a>)</span></dt>
+<dd>
+<p>
+Please pronounce it as “GNU slash Linux.” If you don't pronounce
+the slash, people will think you are saying “GNU Linux,”
+which is <a href="#whyslash">not a suitable name for the
combination</a>.
+</p>
+</dd>
+
+<dt</em></ins></span> id="whyorder">Why “GNU/Linux” rather
than “Linux/GNU”? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#whyorder">#whyorder</a>)</span></dt>
<dd>
@@ -1194,7 +1239,7 @@
are from GNU/Linux.
</dd>
-<dt <span class="inserted"><ins><em>id="howmuch">How much of the GNU
system is needed for the system
+<dt id="howmuch">How much of the GNU system is needed for the system
to be
GNU/Linux? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#howmuch">#howmuch</a>)</span></dt>
@@ -1215,7 +1260,7 @@
</p>
</dd>
-<dt</em></ins></span> id="linuxsyswithoutgnu">Are there complete Linux
systems [sic] without GNU? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#linuxsyswithoutgnu">#linuxsyswithoutgnu</a>)</span></dt>
+<dt id="linuxsyswithoutgnu">Are there complete Linux systems [sic]
without GNU? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#linuxsyswithoutgnu">#linuxsyswithoutgnu</a>)</span></dt>
<dd>
There are complete systems that contain Linux and not GNU; Android is
@@ -1237,47 +1282,33 @@
from GNU/Linux is the absence of GNU.</p>
</dd>
-<dt <span class="removed"><del><strong>id="howmuch">How much of the GNU
system is needed for the system</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>id="usegnulinuxandandroid">Is it
correct</em></ins></span> to <span class="removed"><del><strong>be
-GNU/Linux?</strong></del></span> <span class="inserted"><ins><em>say
“using Linux” if it refers to using GNU/Linux and
-using Android?</em></ins></span> <span
class="anchor-reference-id">(<a <span
class="removed"><del><strong>href="#howmuch">#howmuch</a>)</span></dt></strong></del></span>
<span
class="inserted"><ins><em>href="#usegnulinuxandandroidlinuxsyswithoutgnu">#usegnulinuxandandroidlinuxsyswithoutgnu</a>)</span></dt></em></ins></span>
+<dt id="usegnulinuxandandroid">Is it correct to say “using
Linux” if it refers to using GNU/Linux and
+using Android? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#usegnulinuxandandroidlinuxsyswithoutgnu">#usegnulinuxandandroidlinuxsyswithoutgnu</a>)</span></dt>
<dd>
-<span class="removed"><del><strong>“How much”</strong></del></span>
-<span class="inserted"><ins><em>Far from it. That usage</em></ins></span> is
<span class="inserted"><ins><em>so strained that
-people will</em></ins></span> not <span class="inserted"><ins><em>understand
the intended meaning.
+Far from it. That usage is so strained that
+people will not understand the intended meaning.
<p>
The public will find it very strange to speak of using Android as
-“using Linux”. It's like having</em></ins></span> a <span
class="removed"><del><strong>meaningful question because</strong></del></span>
<span class="inserted"><ins><em>conversation, then
-saying you were conversing with</em></ins></span> the <span
class="removed"><del><strong>GNU
-system does not have precise boundaries.</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>person's intestines or the
-person's circulatory system.</p></em></ins></span>
-<p>
-<span class="removed"><del><strong>GNU is an operating system
maintained</strong></del></span>
-<span class="inserted"><ins><em>The public <em>will</em>
understand the idea of “using
-Linux” when it's really GNU/Linux,</em></ins></span> by <span
class="removed"><del><strong>a community. It includes far
-more than just</strong></del></span> <span class="inserted"><ins><em>way
of</em></ins></span> the <span class="removed"><del><strong>GNU software
packages (of which we have</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>usual
+“using Linux”. It's like having a conversation, then
+saying you were conversing with the person's intestines or the
+person's circulatory system.</p>
+<p>
+The public <em>will</em> understand the idea of “using
+Linux” when it's really GNU/Linux, by way of the usual
misunderstanding: thinking of the whole system as
“Linux”.</p>
<p>
Use of Android and use of GNU/Linux are totally different, as
-different as driving</em></ins></span> a <span
class="removed"><del><strong>specific
-list),</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>car</em></ins></span> and <span
class="removed"><del><strong>people add more packages constantly. Despite these
-changes, it remains</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>riding a bicycle. The fact that</em></ins></span>
the <span class="removed"><del><strong>GNU system, and
adding</strong></del></span>
-<span class="inserted"><ins><em>first two both contain</em></ins></span> Linux
<span class="inserted"><ins><em>is irrelevant</em></ins></span> to <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>using them, just as the
-fact</em></ins></span> that <span class="removed"><del><strong>yields
-GNU/Linux.</strong></del></span> <span class="inserted"><ins><em>a car and a
bicycle both have a structure of metal is
-irrelevant to using those two.</em></ins></span> If you <span
class="removed"><del><strong>use part</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>wish to talk about using cars
-and bikes, you wouldn't speak</em></ins></span> of <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>“riding metal objects”
-— not unless you're playing games with</em></ins></span> the <span
class="removed"><del><strong>GNU system</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>reader. You would
-say, “using cars</em></ins></span> and <span
class="removed"><del><strong>omit part, there is
-no meaningful</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>bikes.” Likewise, the clear</em></ins></span>
way to <span class="removed"><del><strong>say “how much” you
used.</p>
-<p>
-If we look at the level of packages, Linux is one important package in
-the</strong></del></span>
-<span class="inserted"><ins><em>talk about using</em></ins></span> GNU/Linux
<span class="removed"><del><strong>system. The inclusion of one important GNU
package</strong></del></span> <span class="inserted"><ins><em>and
Android</em></ins></span> is
-<span class="removed"><del><strong>enough</strong></del></span> to <span
class="removed"><del><strong>justify our request for equal mention.
-</p></strong></del></span> <span class="inserted"><ins><em>say
“using
-GNU/Linux and Android.”</p></em></ins></span>
+different as driving a car and riding a bicycle. The fact that the
+first two both contain Linux is irrelevant to using them, just as the
+fact that a car and a bicycle both have a structure of metal is
+irrelevant to using those two. If you wish to talk about using cars
+and bikes, you wouldn't speak of “riding metal objects”
+— not unless you're playing games with the reader. You would
+say, “using cars and bikes.” Likewise, the clear way to
+talk about using GNU/Linux and Android is to say “using
+GNU/Linux and Android.”</p>
</dd>
<dt id="helplinus">Why not call the system
@@ -1606,7 +1637,7 @@
There is more detail about copyright years in the GNU Maintainers
Information document, www.gnu.org/prep/maintain. -->
-<p>Copyright © 2001, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014,
2015, 2016, <span class="removed"><del><strong>2017</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>2017, 2018</em></ins></span>
+<p>Copyright © 2001, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014,
2015, 2016, 2017, <span class="removed"><del><strong>2018</strong></del></span>
<span class="inserted"><ins><em>2018, 2020</em></ins></span>
Free Software Foundation, Inc.</p>
<p>This page is licensed under a <a rel="license"
@@ -1617,11 +1648,11 @@
<p class="unprintable">Updated:
<!-- timestamp start -->
-$Date: 2018/03/31 01:00:36 $
+$Date: 2020/03/06 21:58:30 $
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</p>
</div>
-</div>
+</div><!-- for class="inner", starts in the banner include -->
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@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
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-<!-- Parent-Version: 1.84 -->
+<!-- Parent-Version: <span
class="removed"><del><strong>1.86</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>1.90</em></ins></span> -->
<title>GNU/Linux FAQ
- GNU Project - Free Software Foundation</title>
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@@ -109,7 +109,11 @@
“GNU/Linux” is five syllables. People won't use such a
long term. Shouldn't you find a shorter one?</a></li>
-<li><a href="#justgnu">Since Linux is a secondary
+<li><a <span class="inserted"><ins><em>href="#long4">Stallman
doesn't ask us to call him
+ “Richard Matthew Stallman” every the time.
+ So why ask us to say “GNU/Linux” every
time?</a></li>
+
+<li><a</em></ins></span> href="#justgnu">Since Linux is a secondary
contribution, would it be false to the facts to call the system
simply “GNU”?</a></li>
@@ -125,7 +129,11 @@
credit too? (But that would lead to a name so long it is
absurd.)</a></li>
-<li><a href="#others">Many other projects contributed to
+<li><a <span class="inserted"><ins><em>href="#systemd">Systemd
plays an important role in the GNU/Linux
+ system as it is today; are we obligated to call it
+ GNU/Systemd/Linux?</a></li>
+
+<li><a</em></ins></span> href="#others">Many other projects
contributed to
the system as it is today, but they don't insist on calling it
XYZ/Linux. Why should we treat GNU specially?</a></li>
@@ -140,7 +148,10 @@
“GNU/Linux” instead of “GNU
Linux”?</a></li>
-<li><a href="#whyorder">Why “GNU/Linux”
+<li><a <span class="inserted"><ins><em>href="#pronounce">How is
the name “GNU/Linux”
+pronounced?</a></li>
+
+<li><a</em></ins></span> href="#whyorder">Why
“GNU/Linux”
rather than “Linux/GNU”?</a></li>
<li><a href="#distronames0">My distro's developers call it
@@ -200,10 +211,10 @@
<li><a href="#linuxsyswithoutgnu">Are there complete Linux systems
[sic] without GNU?</a></li>
-<li><a <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>href="#usegnulinuxandandroid">Is it correct to say
“using
+<li><a href="#usegnulinuxandandroid">Is it correct to say
“using
Linux” if it refers to using GNU/Linux and using
Android?</a></li>
-<li><a</em></ins></span> href="#helplinus">Why not call the system
+<li><a href="#helplinus">Why not call the system
“Linux” anyway, and strengthen Linus Torvalds' role as
posterboy for our community?</a></li>
@@ -700,7 +711,22 @@
“Unfortunately” is five syllables, yet people show no
sign of reluctance to use that word.</p></dd>
-<dt id="justgnu">Since Linux is a secondary
+<dt <span class="inserted"><ins><em>id="long4">Stallman doesn't ask us
to call him
+ “Richard Matthew Stallman” every the time.
+ So why ask us to say “GNU/Linux” every time?
+ <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#long4">#long4</a>)</span></dt>
+<dd>
+<p>Omitting “Matthew” does not misrepresent anything
+important about Stallman's nature, origin, ideas or purpose. Omitting
+“GNU” does misrepresent those things about the GNU/Linux
+system.</p>
+
+<p>This is an example of a frequent way of hiding a fallacy: to bury
+it inside a misleading analogy. A better analogy would be, “Why
+shouldn't we call Stallman ‘Torvalds’?”
+</p></dd>
+
+<dt</em></ins></span> id="justgnu">Since Linux is a secondary
contribution, would it be false to the facts to call the system simply
“GNU”? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#justgnu">#justgnu</a>)</span></dt>
@@ -776,7 +802,17 @@
(Linux) while omitting the principal contribution (GNU).</p>
</dd>
-<dt id="others">Many other projects contributed to
+<dt <span class="inserted"><ins><em>id="systemd">Systemd plays an
important role in the GNU/Linux
+ system as it is today; are we obligated to call it
+ GNU/Systemd/Linux? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#others">#others</a>)</span></dt>
+
+<dd>
+Systemd is a fairly important component, but not as important as the
+kernel (Linux), nor as important as the basis of the system as a whole
+(GNU).
+</dd>
+
+<dt</em></ins></span> id="others">Many other projects contributed to
the system as it is today, but they don't insist on calling it
XYZ/Linux. Why should we treat GNU specially? <span
class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#others">#others</a>)</span></dt>
@@ -863,7 +899,17 @@
say “GNU con Linux”.</p>
</dd>
-<dt id="whyorder">Why “GNU/Linux” rather
+<dt <span class="inserted"><ins><em>id="pronounce">How is the name
“GNU/Linux”
+pronounced? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#pronounce">#pronounce</a>)</span></dt>
+<dd>
+<p>
+Please pronounce it as “GNU slash Linux.” If you don't pronounce
+the slash, people will think you are saying “GNU Linux,”
+which is <a href="#whyslash">not a suitable name for the
combination</a>.
+</p>
+</dd>
+
+<dt</em></ins></span> id="whyorder">Why “GNU/Linux” rather
than “Linux/GNU”? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#whyorder">#whyorder</a>)</span></dt>
<dd>
@@ -1193,7 +1239,7 @@
are from GNU/Linux.
</dd>
-<dt <span class="inserted"><ins><em>id="howmuch">How much of the GNU
system is needed for the system
+<dt id="howmuch">How much of the GNU system is needed for the system
to be
GNU/Linux? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#howmuch">#howmuch</a>)</span></dt>
@@ -1214,7 +1260,7 @@
</p>
</dd>
-<dt</em></ins></span> id="linuxsyswithoutgnu">Are there complete Linux
systems [sic] without GNU? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#linuxsyswithoutgnu">#linuxsyswithoutgnu</a>)</span></dt>
+<dt id="linuxsyswithoutgnu">Are there complete Linux systems [sic]
without GNU? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#linuxsyswithoutgnu">#linuxsyswithoutgnu</a>)</span></dt>
<dd>
There are complete systems that contain Linux and not GNU; Android is
@@ -1236,47 +1282,33 @@
from GNU/Linux is the absence of GNU.</p>
</dd>
-<dt <span class="removed"><del><strong>id="howmuch">How much of the GNU
system is needed for the system</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>id="usegnulinuxandandroid">Is it
correct</em></ins></span> to <span class="removed"><del><strong>be
-GNU/Linux?</strong></del></span> <span class="inserted"><ins><em>say
“using Linux” if it refers to using GNU/Linux and
-using Android?</em></ins></span> <span
class="anchor-reference-id">(<a <span
class="removed"><del><strong>href="#howmuch">#howmuch</a>)</span></dt></strong></del></span>
<span
class="inserted"><ins><em>href="#usegnulinuxandandroidlinuxsyswithoutgnu">#usegnulinuxandandroidlinuxsyswithoutgnu</a>)</span></dt></em></ins></span>
+<dt id="usegnulinuxandandroid">Is it correct to say “using
Linux” if it refers to using GNU/Linux and
+using Android? <span class="anchor-reference-id">(<a
href="#usegnulinuxandandroidlinuxsyswithoutgnu">#usegnulinuxandandroidlinuxsyswithoutgnu</a>)</span></dt>
<dd>
-<span class="removed"><del><strong>“How much”</strong></del></span>
-<span class="inserted"><ins><em>Far from it. That usage</em></ins></span> is
<span class="inserted"><ins><em>so strained that
-people will</em></ins></span> not <span class="inserted"><ins><em>understand
the intended meaning.
+Far from it. That usage is so strained that
+people will not understand the intended meaning.
<p>
The public will find it very strange to speak of using Android as
-“using Linux”. It's like having</em></ins></span> a <span
class="removed"><del><strong>meaningful question because</strong></del></span>
<span class="inserted"><ins><em>conversation, then
-saying you were conversing with</em></ins></span> the <span
class="removed"><del><strong>GNU
-system does not have precise boundaries.</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>person's intestines or the
-person's circulatory system.</p></em></ins></span>
-<p>
-<span class="removed"><del><strong>GNU is an operating system
maintained</strong></del></span>
-<span class="inserted"><ins><em>The public <em>will</em>
understand the idea of “using
-Linux” when it's really GNU/Linux,</em></ins></span> by <span
class="removed"><del><strong>a community. It includes far
-more than just</strong></del></span> <span class="inserted"><ins><em>way
of</em></ins></span> the <span class="removed"><del><strong>GNU software
packages (of which we have</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>usual
+“using Linux”. It's like having a conversation, then
+saying you were conversing with the person's intestines or the
+person's circulatory system.</p>
+<p>
+The public <em>will</em> understand the idea of “using
+Linux” when it's really GNU/Linux, by way of the usual
misunderstanding: thinking of the whole system as
“Linux”.</p>
<p>
Use of Android and use of GNU/Linux are totally different, as
-different as driving</em></ins></span> a <span
class="removed"><del><strong>specific
-list),</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>car</em></ins></span> and <span
class="removed"><del><strong>people add more packages constantly. Despite these
-changes, it remains</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>riding a bicycle. The fact that</em></ins></span>
the <span class="removed"><del><strong>GNU system, and
adding</strong></del></span>
-<span class="inserted"><ins><em>first two both contain</em></ins></span> Linux
<span class="inserted"><ins><em>is irrelevant</em></ins></span> to <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>using them, just as the
-fact</em></ins></span> that <span class="removed"><del><strong>yields
-GNU/Linux.</strong></del></span> <span class="inserted"><ins><em>a car and a
bicycle both have a structure of metal is
-irrelevant to using those two.</em></ins></span> If you <span
class="removed"><del><strong>use part</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>wish to talk about using cars
-and bikes, you wouldn't speak</em></ins></span> of <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>“riding metal objects”
-— not unless you're playing games with</em></ins></span> the <span
class="removed"><del><strong>GNU system</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>reader. You would
-say, “using cars</em></ins></span> and <span
class="removed"><del><strong>omit part, there is
-no meaningful</strong></del></span> <span
class="inserted"><ins><em>bikes.” Likewise, the clear</em></ins></span>
way to <span class="removed"><del><strong>say “how much” you
used.</p>
-<p>
-If we look at the level of packages, Linux is one important package in
-the</strong></del></span>
-<span class="inserted"><ins><em>talk about using</em></ins></span> GNU/Linux
<span class="removed"><del><strong>system. The inclusion of one important GNU
package</strong></del></span> <span class="inserted"><ins><em>and
Android</em></ins></span> is
-<span class="removed"><del><strong>enough</strong></del></span> to <span
class="removed"><del><strong>justify our request for equal mention.
-</p></strong></del></span> <span class="inserted"><ins><em>say
“using
-GNU/Linux and Android.”</p></em></ins></span>
+different as driving a car and riding a bicycle. The fact that the
+first two both contain Linux is irrelevant to using them, just as the
+fact that a car and a bicycle both have a structure of metal is
+irrelevant to using those two. If you wish to talk about using cars
+and bikes, you wouldn't speak of “riding metal objects”
+— not unless you're playing games with the reader. You would
+say, “using cars and bikes.” Likewise, the clear way to
+talk about using GNU/Linux and Android is to say “using
+GNU/Linux and Android.”</p>
</dd>
<dt id="helplinus">Why not call the system
@@ -1605,7 +1637,7 @@
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2015, 2016, 2017, <span class="removed"><del><strong>2018</strong></del></span>
<span class="inserted"><ins><em>2018, 2020</em></ins></span>
Free Software Foundation, Inc.</p>
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@@ -1616,11 +1648,11 @@
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