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Re: [Taler] Taler prioritizes nonfree browser

From: ng0
Subject: Re: [Taler] Taler prioritizes nonfree browser
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:49:11 +0000

Slightly offtopic, but:

It is really awful to read threads that go
private offlist -> person A
person A -> list
private offlist -> person A
person A -> list

I can't remember putting you on a server sided spam list Caleb,
but you are doing this on other GNU lists aswell. I suggets to
correct your email client or stop doing this.


Florian Dold transcribed 3.8K bytes:
> Hi Caleb,
> thank you for the feedback.
> Indeed the message about not having a recent enough version of
> Chromium/Chrome installed should only appear when the user is actually
> using one of these browsers.
> I also agree that we should put libre browsers first, Richard suggested
> to have two columns, the first one with free browsers, the second one
> with non-free browsers.
> About the "Install wallet" button, I'd like us to have one for Firefox
> too, but it seems like right now this two-click installation process is
> not (yet?) supported by Firefox.  Again we could make the button
> invisible unless the user is already Chromium/Chrome, to avoid the
> impression that we favor non-free browsers.
> By now it looks like Firefox has all the features that were previously
> missing or broken to fully support the Taler wallet, so we should start
> emphasizing that we want users to use and test it preferably with libre
> browsers.
> Regarding IceCat, we should start emphasizing it once it has caught up
> with the features from Firefox that we need for our wallet to run properly.
> So no disagreement here, this just stemmed from certain features being
> less stable or missing from Firefox in the past.  We always made sure
> that we only rely on features that will be available in Firefox very soon.
> - Florian
> On 11/23/2017 12:07 PM, Caleb Herbert wrote:
> > I have found an issue in Taler's documentation.
> > 
> > When talking about the wallet extension on the GNU Taler website, Chrome
> > and Chromium are consistently mentioned first, and Firefox (IceCat) is
> > pushed into a corner with Opera.  It's even mentioned twice.
> > 
> >         We currently provide a wallet browser extension for Chromium,
> >         Chrome, Firefox, Opera and Edge.
> >         
> >         https://gnutaler.org/citizens.html
> >         
> > Chrome is also given first-class treatment on the page for downloading
> > the extension.  https://gnutaler.org/wallet.html
> > 
> >       * Chrome is mentioned first
> >       * A prominent one-click "Install wallet" button is there for
> >         Chrome
> >       * Above the button is a message that acts like not having Chrome
> >         installed is less than ideal
> >       * Firefox has no button
> > 
> > The website consistently makes Chrome more prominent and convenient, to
> > the detriment of Firefox.
> > 
> > Unlike Firefox, Chromium is outright hostile to privacy and free
> > software. No version of it in any form can currently exists on free
> > distros, because Parabola can't build it without blobs and obfuscated
> > non-source.
> > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2017-01/msg00048.html
> > 
> > Meanwhile, versions of Firefox exist on free distros in a few forms:
> > IceWeasel, IceCat, FireDog, Abrowser.
> > 
> > Firefox is clearly more friendly to free software and should be given
> > priority over Chromium.  Right now, Chromium should be given priority
> > only in code audits.
> > 
> > The GNU Coding Standards say
> > 
> >         However, you should give only the necessary information to help
> >         those who already use the non-free program to use your program
> >         with it—don’t give, or refer to, any further information about
> >         the proprietary program, and don’t imply that the proprietary
> >         program enhances your program, or that its existence is in any
> >         way a good thing. The goal should be that people already using
> >         the proprietary program will get the advice they need about how
> >         to use your free program with it, while people who don’t already
> >         use the proprietary program will not see anything likely to lead
> >         them to take an interest in it.
> >         
> >         https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#References
> > 
> > Please support browsers that can be used on free distros.  Don't give
> > Chromium more prominence than more respectable browsers like IceCat and
> > Firefox.
> > 

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