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Re: [PATCH v2] mips/malta: pass RNG seed to to kernel via env var

From: BALATON Zoltan
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mips/malta: pass RNG seed to to kernel via env var
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 13:39:51 +0200 (CEST)

On Tue, 4 Oct 2022, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 1:03 PM Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> wrote:
What I'm asking, I guess, is why you're messing with this board
model at all if you haven't added this functionality to u-boot.
This is just an emulation of an ancient bit of MIPS hardware, which
nobody really cares about very much I hope.

I think most people emulating MIPS would disagree. This is basically a
reference platform for most intents and purposes. As I mentioned, this
involves `-kernel` -- the thing that's used when you explicitly opt-in
to not using a bootloader, so when you sign up for QEMU arranging the
kernel image and its environment. Neglecting to pass an RNG seed would
be a grave mistake.

I'm not saying this is a bad patch -- I'm just saying that
QEMU should not be in the business of defining bootloader-to-kernel
interfaces if it can avoid it, so usually the expectation is
that we are just implementing interfaces that are already
defined, documented and implemented by a real bootloader and kernel.

Except that's not really the way things have ever worked here. The
kernel now has the "rngseed" env var functionality, which is useful
for a variety of scenarios -- kexec, firmware, and *most importantly*
for QEMU. Don't block progress here.

-kernel generally means "emulate the platform's boot loader"

And here, a platform bootloader could pass this, just as is the case
with m68k's BI_RNG_SEED or x86's setup_data RNG SEED or device tree's
rng-seed or EFI's LINUX_EFI_RANDOM_SEED_TABLE_GUID or MIPS' "rngseed"
fw environment variable. These are important facilities to have.
Bootloaders and hypervisors alike must implement them. *Do not block
progress here.*

Cool dowm. Peter does not want to block progress here. What he said was that the malta is (or should be) emulating a real piece of hardware so adding some stuff to it which is not on that real hardware may not be preferred. If you want to experiment with generic mips hardware maybe you need a virt board instead that is free from such restrictions to emulate a real hardware. Some archs already have such board and there seems to be loongson3-virt but no generic mips virt machine yet. Defining and implementing such board may be more than you want to do for this but maybe that would be a better way to go.


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