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Re: guest / host buffer sharing ...
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Tomasz Figa |
Subject: |
Re: guest / host buffer sharing ... |
Date: |
Wed, 20 Nov 2019 19:11:56 +0900 |
Hi Stefan,
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:21 PM Stefan Hajnoczi <address@hidden> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 3:12 PM Tomasz Figa <address@hidden> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 9:08 PM Stefan Hajnoczi <address@hidden> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 12:17 PM Tomasz Figa <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 7:12 PM Stefan Hajnoczi <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 2:41 AM Stéphane Marchesin <address@hidden>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 11:35 PM Stefan Hajnoczi <address@hidden>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 8:22 AM Gerd Hoffmann <address@hidden>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Adding a list of common properties to the spec certainly
> > > > > > > > > > makes sense,
> > > > > > > > > > so everybody uses the same names. Adding struct-ed
> > > > > > > > > > properties for
> > > > > > > > > > common use cases might be useful too.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why not define VIRTIO devices for wayland and friends?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is an out-of-tree implementation of that, so yes, that
> > > > > > > > surely is
> > > > > > > > an option.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wayland needs (a) shared buffers, mostly for gfx data, and (b)
> > > > > > > > a stream
> > > > > > > > pipe as control channel. Pretty much the same for X11, except
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > shared buffers are optional because the X protocol can also
> > > > > > > > squeeze all
> > > > > > > > display updates through the stream pipe.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So, if you want allow guests talk to the host display server
> > > > > > > > you can run
> > > > > > > > the stream pipe over vsock. But there is nothing for the shared
> > > > > > > > buffers ...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We could replicate vsock functionality elsewhere. I think that
> > > > > > > > happened
> > > > > > > > in the out-of-tree virtio-wayland implementation. There also
> > > > > > > > was some
> > > > > > > > discussion about adding streams to virtio-gpu, slightly pimped
> > > > > > > > up so you
> > > > > > > > can easily pass around virtio-gpu resource references for buffer
> > > > > > > > sharing. But given that getting vsock right isn't exactly
> > > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > (consider all the fairness issues when multiplexing multiple
> > > > > > > > streams
> > > > > > > > over a virtqueue for example) I don't think this is a good plan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I also think vsock isn't the right fit.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1 we are using vsock right now and we have a few pains because of
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think the high-level problem is that because it is a side channel,
> > > > > > we don't see everything that happens to the buffer in one place
> > > > > > (rendering + display) and we can't do things like reallocate the
> > > > > > format accordingly if needed, or we can't do flushing etc. on that
> > > > > > buffer where needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you think a VIRTIO device designed for your use case is an
> > > > > appropriate solution?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been arguing that these use cases should be addressed with
> > > > > dedicated VIRTIO devices, but I don't understand the use cases of
> > > > > everyone on the CC list so maybe I'm missing something :). If there
> > > > > are reasons why having a VIRTIO device for your use case does not make
> > > > > sense then it would be good to discuss them. Blockers like "VIRTIO is
> > > > > too heavyweight/complex for us because ...", "Our application can't
> > > > > make use of VIRTIO devices because ...", etc would be important to
> > > > > hear.
> > > >
> > > > Do you have any idea on how to model Wayland as a VIRTIO device?
> > > >
> > > > Stephane mentioned that we use vsock, but in fact we have our own
> > > > VIRTIO device, except that it's semantically almost the same as vsock,
> > > > with a difference being the ability to pass buffers and pipes across
> > > > the VM boundary.
> > >
> > > I know neither Wayland nor your use case :).
> > >
> > > But we can discuss the design of your VIRTIO device. Please post a
> > > link to the code.
> >
> > The guest-side driver:
> > https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/third_party/kernel/+/chromeos-4.19/drivers/virtio/virtio_wl.c
> >
> > Protocol definitions:
> > https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/third_party/kernel/+/chromeos-4.19/include/uapi/linux/virtio_wl.h
> >
> > crosvm device implementation:
> > https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/crosvm/+/refs/heads/master/devices/src/virtio/wl.rs
>
> Thanks, Tomasz!
>
> Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to look or catch up on this email
> thread due to other work that will keep me away for at least another
> week :(.
Thanks for the note. Waiting patiently. :)
Best regards,
Tomasz
- Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., (continued)
- Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Gerd Hoffmann, 2019/11/08
- Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Stefan Hajnoczi, 2019/11/08
- Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Stéphane Marchesin, 2019/11/08
- Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Stefan Hajnoczi, 2019/11/09
- Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Tomasz Figa, 2019/11/09
- Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Stefan Hajnoczi, 2019/11/09
- Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Tomasz Figa, 2019/11/09
- Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Stefan Hajnoczi, 2019/11/18
- Re: guest / host buffer sharing ...,
Tomasz Figa <=
- Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Tomasz Figa, 2019/11/20
Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., David Stevens, 2019/11/10
- Re: [virtio-dev] Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Liam Girdwood, 2019/11/11
- Re: [virtio-dev] Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Gurchetan Singh, 2019/11/11
- Re: [virtio-dev] Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Liam Girdwood, 2019/11/12
- Re: [virtio-dev] Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Gurchetan Singh, 2019/11/12
- Re: [virtio-dev] Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Liam Girdwood, 2019/11/19
- Re: [virtio-dev] Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Gurchetan Singh, 2019/11/19
- Re: [virtio-dev] Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Gerd Hoffmann, 2019/11/20
- Re: [virtio-dev] Re: guest / host buffer sharing ..., Liam Girdwood, 2019/11/25