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Re: [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution!
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Stefan Hajnoczi |
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Re: [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution! |
Date: |
Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:31:09 +0000 |
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On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 03:00:10PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 05/12/2017 14:47, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Paolo Bonzini <address@hidden> wrote:
> >> On 05/12/2017 13:06, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 02:33:13PM +0800, Yang Zhong wrote:
> >>>> As you know, AWS has decided to switch to KVM in their clouds. This news
> >>>> make almost all
> >>>> china CSPs(clouds service provider) pay more attention on KVM/Qemu,
> >>>> especially light VM
> >>>> solution.
> >>>>
> >>>> Below are intel solution for light VM, qemu-lite.
> >>>> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/Light%20weight%20virtualization%20with%20QEMU%26KVM_0.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>> My question is whether community has some plan to implement light VM or
> >>>> alternative solutions? If no, whether our
> >>>> qemu-lite solution is suitable for upstream again? Many thanks!
> >>>
> >>> What caused a lot of discussion and held back progress was the approach
> >>> that was taken. The basic philosophy seems to be bypassing or
> >>> special-casing components in order to avoid slow operations. This
> >>> requires special QEMU, firmware, and/or guest kernel binaries and causes
> >>> extra work for the management stack, distributions, and testers.
> >>
> >> I think having a special firmware (be it qboot or a special-purpose
> >> SeaBIOS) is acceptable.
> >
> > The work Marc Mari Barcelo did in 2015 showed that SeaBIOS can boot
> > guests quickly. The guest kernel was entered in <35 milliseconds
> > IIRC. Why is special firmware necessary?
>
> I thought that wasn't the "conventional" SeaBIOS, but rather one with
> reduced configuration options, but I may be remembering wrong.
Marc didn't spend much time on optimizing SeaBIOS, he used the build
options that were suggested. An extra flag can be added in
qemu_preinit() to skip slow init that's unnecessary on optimized
machines. That would allow a single SeaBIOS binary to run both full and
lite systems.
Stefan
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- [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution!, Yang Zhong, 2017/12/05
- Re: [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution!, Stefan Hajnoczi, 2017/12/05
- Re: [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution!, Paolo Bonzini, 2017/12/05
- Re: [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution!, Stefan Hajnoczi, 2017/12/05
- Re: [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution!, Paolo Bonzini, 2017/12/05
- Re: [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution!,
Stefan Hajnoczi <=
- Re: [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution!, Gonglei (Arei), 2017/12/06
- Re: [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution!, Stefan Hajnoczi, 2017/12/06
- Re: [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution!, Gonglei (Arei), 2017/12/06
- Re: [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution!, Stefan Hajnoczi, 2017/12/06
- Re: [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution!, Yang Zhong, 2017/12/08
Re: [Qemu-devel] About the light VM solution!, Richard W.M. Jones, 2017/12/07