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Re: [RFC PATCH] hw/arm/virt: use sbsa-ec for reboot and poweroff in secu

From: Leif Lindholm
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] hw/arm/virt: use sbsa-ec for reboot and poweroff in secure mode
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 11:19:39 +0000
User-agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13)

Hi Peter, (+Ard)

Graeme is on holiday this week, and I would like his input.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 20:31:41 +0000, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 at 08:59, Maxim Uvarov <maxim.uvarov@linaro.org> wrote:
> >
> > If we're emulating EL3 then the EL3 guest firmware is responsible for
> > providing the PSCI ABI, including reboot, core power down, etc.
> > sbsa-ref machine has an embedded controller to do reboot, poweroff. Machine
> > virt,secure=on can reuse this code to do reboot inside ATF.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Maxim Uvarov <maxim.uvarov@linaro.org>
> (I've cc'd the sbsa-ref machine maintainers.)
> > ---
> >  Hello,
> >
> >  This patch implements reboot for the secure machine inside ATF firmware. 
> > I.e. current qemu
> >  patch should be used with [1] ATF patch. It looks like that Embedded 
> > Controller qemu
> >  driver (sbsa-ec) can be common and widely used for other emulated 
> > machines. While if
> >  there are plans to extend sbsa-ec then we might find some other solution.
> >
> >  So for the long term it looks like machine virt was used as an initial 
> > playground for secure
> >  firmware.  While the original intent was a runner for kvm guests. Relation 
> > between kvm guest
> >  and firmware  is not very clear now. If everyone agree it might be good 
> > solution to move secure
> >  firmware things from virt machine to bsa-ref and make this machine 
> > reference for secure boot,
> >  firmware updates  etc.
> >
> >  [1] 
> > https://github.com/muvarov/arm-trusted-firmware/commit/6d3339a0081f6f2b45d99bd7e1b67bcbce8f4e0e
> Thanks for this patch. It is definitely a missing
> bit of functionality that we intend to allow virt to run
> EL3 guest code but don't provide a trigger-shutdown/reboot
> device that works in that setup.
> I think the key question here is whether we want to implement
> this by:
> (1) providing the sbsa-ec device in the virt board
> (2) some other mechanism, eg a secure-only pl061 GPIO
> some of whose output pins can trigger shutdown or reboot
> The sbsa-ec device has the advantage of doing the
> shutdown/reboot functionality at the moment. The question
> I have for the sbsa-ref board folks is: what are your future
> plans for that device? If the idea is that it's going to end
> up stuffed full of sbsa-ref specific functionality that we
> wouldn't want to try to expose in the virt board, then we
> should probably go with the pl061 approach instead. But if
> it's not likely to grow new functionality then it might be
> simpler...
> A couple of notes on this patch if we do go down that route:
>  * we would need to arrange to only add the new device for
>    new versions of the virt board (that is, the "virt-5.0"
>    machine must not have this device because it must look
>    like the version of "virt" that shipped with QEMU 5.0)
>  * the device needs to be mapped into the Secure address
>    space only, because Secure firmware wants control over
>    it and doesn't want to allow NS code to reboot the system
>    without asking the firmware
>  * it would need to be described in the DTB (and maybe also
>    ACPI tables? I forget whether we need to describe Secure-only
>   devices there)

Would it? Could it be something that goes into the virt spec?
We don't consume ACPI in firmware (but TF-A will of course have access
to the DT regardless).

For sbsa-ref, I would ideally like to move to emulating communicating
with an SCP over time, as opposed to TF-A directly controlling the EC.
I am unsure if that leaves much opportunity for code sharing with

Ard: is this a config supported/able by ArmVirtPkg?

Best Regards,


> But let's find out if that's the route we want to take first.
> thanks
> -- PMM

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