Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] Re: Standard source code header and php Documentor

[Reiner Jung]

It's realy simple,

they can send the business plan to the list. The interest from PB are
not the same as the interests from the project i think (I'm sure).

Read the plan for what they receive money and you will understand it ;-)
For what they receive money have nothing to ddo with the phpgw project
what you see at the moment. 

I have no problem to make money with OSS. I make my daily money with
OSS. What they need te finish their project is more a "take over" than a
work togehter with the comunity. 


Am Mon, 2003-06-30 um 21.01 schrieb Dan Kuykendall:
> Christian Böttger wrote:
> 
> > G'day!
> > 
> >>They don't want communicate with the community. 
> > 
> > That's plain wrong, otherwise noone would write anything here from our
> > company. 
> 
> I have seen emails on this list from the probiz people, so I dont know 
> why you would say they are not communicating with us.
> 
> >>They have a business plan for what they receive money. 
> > 
> > What's wrong about it?
> 
> I second that. Whats wrong about making money with Free Software. 
> Stallman repeats over an over "Free as in Freedom, not as in beer".
> 
> >>that what they do it's not a community project. They want 
> >>that the "OSS developers" agree with their "commercial" product. 
> > 
> > Not correct. That is your interpretation, not our intention. Our intention
> > is to give as much work back into the phpGW project as possible. It's of
> > course up to the phpGW project whether they accept the work or not.
> 
> No problem here.
> 
> >>We ask them, to spend some money for development to the 
> >>developers, but they don't want. When I want i found a way. 
> > 
> > Oh well. AFAIK someone (I don't know whether is was you, honestly) asked
> > just to pass on most of the money. This is not possible. But, e.g. we had
> > open job positions. People could have applied. And: in the case parts of our
> > work go into the phpGW community: then "money" in form of work has found
> > it's way into the project; which it wouldn't otherwise. But you may accept
> > or not that we simply can't just take orders.
> 
> Money is not going to normally be "donated" in such a fashion as writing 
> a check to us (thru the FSF). Its almost always done by way of having 
> paid employees write code and assign the copyrights to us (thru the FSF).
> 
> >>Greetings to probiz. Follow OSS rules and not YOUR COMMERCIAL 
> >>INTEREST 
> 
> I dont know what "rules" they have broken.
> 
> > Please ask Richard Stallmann or anyone else from FSF or FSF Europe about OSS
> > and business. From all their statements, that's not a contradiction at all.
> > Commercial companies *must* follow commercial interests, otherwise they will
> > cease to exist. OSS (the FSF prefers "Free Software") is about the
> > accessability of source code and the freedom of the *user* of the software
> > to do what they want with the source. It' not about not making money, and
> > it's not anti-business.
> 
> Correct, and in fact for-profit corporations can actually be held 
> accountable by law for NOT trying to be profitable for the shareholders.
> 
> > But well, if this opionion uttered by Reiner is the opinion of the majority
> > of the contributors and the core team, and all agree that they don't want
> > any code or contribution from our company at all and will not have a look at
> > further (code or other) contributions, well then just say it and we will be
> > off. Mind you that the GPL would not stop anyone from forking of a new
> > project under a different name.
> 
> Its certainly not an opinion shared by me.
> 
> > We are well prepared and much in favour of assigning any phpGW related code
> > from us to the FSF or FSF Europe, whichever may be the correct address. That
> > my count as "following OSS rules". 
> 
> This follows the rules as I see it.
> The only "rules" we should hold are to not have our CVS updated with 
> stuff the community doesnt want, and to have copyrights assigned for 
> anything put in CVS.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
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