Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] Project Structure

[Dan Kuykendall]

Ralf Becker wrote:
> I'm one of this "jonny come latelys", my first API contribution dates 
> may 2001 (Group level ACL). It hurds a lot to hear this permanent 
> non-acknowledgement for all other contributions then your own, Dan.

I did not say that no one outside the founding four have contributed 
greatly. You have done alot of really good work. I am also not saying 
that you are all jonny come latelys. But as a whole, it does seem like 
the new kids on the team want to kick out all the old and assume 
ownership of a great project, simply because they are more active at the 
moment.

> I had the same idea when I read this draft the first time, the reason 
> why I support this too now: The task of these coordinators is not to 
> maintain there area, but to coordinate the work in it.

Good point.

> Just to give one example: When the phpwebhosting symlink disappeared 
> from our CVS, we wrote you a mail. Nothing happend for days and we wrote 
> to the savannah hackers to help us in that matter. You imediatly 
> responded to them, you will take care of that matter. Nothing happend 
> again for some days, 'til we wrote to the savannah hackers again and 
> they made the necessary changes for us.

I did try and fix the problem when I responded in the savannah hackers 
list. But I had some problems getting into the CVS area of the server.

> > I am not going to assign my code away. I was planning to in the past, 
> > but with this type of crap turning up it will be a cold day in hell 
> > before it happens. Same for the phpgroupware.org domain.
>
> This shows more the importance, of assigning everything to the fsf, then 
> any other argument raised in this paper.

As mentioned a few times now. I will still assign the copyright, but not 
the domains or the trademark.

> I'm pretty sure our contributors are mature enough to know which are the 
> areas of there knowledge and not vote on stuff they have no idea about.

I prefer a structure that defines this a little better.

> > This is just wrong. Not all contributions are equal. Maybe this isnt 
> > "politically correct" to say, but its the truth. Each member of 
> > current core team has individually contributed more than all others 
> > combined. I think its handy to have stuff translated to spanish, but 
> > thats just not compariable to somewhere around 20,000 lines of code 
> > and about 3500 hours which I have personally pumped into phpGW.
>
> This again only the view back into the past. And I will not start 
> counting the number of lines I or someone else contributed.

In my example even you have a greater importance than someone who only 
helped translate to spanish. Maybe this is hard to qualtify, and its not 
something thats really able to be factored into a voting process. But 
there is a diff.

> This includes me too, as I looked too long only for the technical side 
> of phpGW and felt very angry from time to time, without articulating and 
> changeing it.

You have discussed your anger from time to time. I know you dont always 
agree with the choices that mostly ceb has put, but that will happen in 
any situation.

Dan