Dear Boys,
Chris and David, your words is a worth forever! Coming from
the deep spirit of free thinking, from the spirit, what drives
Pascal up to the mountains, live in Linus and fight in Richard
Stallman. We made effective, precise and extraordinary things. Next
to it We build up borders for own every day, because we working with
dangerous things - as the sugar based rocket makers - , but we can
not defend our free spirit for thinking!
Juts remember, what Szilard Leo said about Oppenheimer's tool as a
peace maker device....
I think the problem is not with us, but consequent of our works,
education and learning. We have responsibility on it. DJI feel this
also from own prospect!
I mean that the world is going on the good way! Currently, finally
everybody see, what our work can achieve. This is a great value!
Thanks for the stupid press! But currently NOBODY KNOWN for where
use it globally?!
How said, they know is dizzy. While it was used only military it was
safe and acceptable. Now, on popular, non-military field comes the
great question?
- the regulation is impossible!
Weight? - what do you make with a swarm?
LOS? - why we use it, when it can do it with a robot?
Impact? - what about we are talking with a 5 gr chemical....?
For the regulators i say everytime: If You can not defend yourself
from something then stay on the leed of it!
But there is not new under the Sun! Just search parallels with cars
or trains or planes from 1890 or 1840 or 1904! I am absolutly sure
that the history repeats itself! I just now see a drones, which fly
a forwarder man with a flag!
What we can do is giving informations! Building systems what
is able to provide effective, precise and extraordinary
information about activity of drones......
SilaS
PS: sorry for this long, unworthy, bad inglish letter, I am thinking
on a different level and language..... as YOu, who reads this list.
2014-05-17 22:, Chris írta:
Hi
David
I was waiting for you to chime in as you know better.
I totally agree that Paparazzi is not meant for anyone but for
serious people even when they play with it.
I am so glad that i chose paparazzi to play and learn with.
Chris
On 05/17/2014 09:28 PM, David Conger wrote:
Hello,
First: Nothing has changed here in the USA. The laws are the
same as
they have been for a very long time. The only thing we know is
3DR and
SparkFun have started restricting exports without a proper
explanation.
Second: The sky is not falling and nothing else has changed.
Now, I am very surprised at the amount of conjecture going on
here
about supply and future etc. However it is based on opinions and
theories based on future predictions. Anyone who can predict the
future is suspect. It is unwritten and does not exist. If it did
exist
someone surely would bring the future back to the present as
proof or
visit it and bring back evidence. Only the now exists or will
ever
exist to us. The past is now that has come and gone and the
future
will be the now at some point.
All I know is now Paparazzi is available anywhere and everywhere
because it is not a business. I created a business (PPZUAV) but
should
I make or not make them should have no effect on Paparazzi the
project. No one is dependent on any one company or country to
get one.
For the moment PPZUAV is just not one of them. The only reason
for
this is simply I am taking a sabbatical and resting for a bit. I
needed a break and am taking it. Once I am done there are many
people
out there who I will gladly resume getting them their Paparazzi
things. They are mostly all out there in the EU and for them a
sabbatical is a normal thing. I do have a desire to relocate to
the EU
and partner with someone to continue to make these available. If
anyone has ideas contact me. I have heard from someone in German
and
that was very encouraging.
Paparazzi the project is not going anywhere. I hope it is of
some
comfort to you all to realize that you are members of a lot
larger of
a group than you imagine. There are only a few who post here and
a
huge number who do not but do exist and use Paparazzi. You are
out
there in major universities and large Govt organizations. You
are
quietly doing amazing things and I encourage you to keep doing
them
because you may feel like you are the only one but you are not.
Now, that said I will give my own opinion and it is just opinion
of
the current situation with new laws about flying things here in
the
USA and the World. I have been at this a while and have watched
this
all unfold with completely expected results. The future of
Paparazzi
is certain to me to continue...The future of other companies
that
started under the premise of selling "toys" to anyone is not. I
will
explain.
This whole state of affairs today with public anxiety over these
things is not so strange to me. I have written about it many
times
over the years and it was largely ignored. Maybe still ignored
you
control that. Read all my posts back to 2005 (RCGroups.com is
another
place I have posted). I have never called these toys or
advocated
selling them like toys to anyone. I have stayed a very small (1
person) company this way because I simply looked at these as
flying
robots that are extremely complex and capable of great harm in
the
wrong hands. It seems those who supported me with your purchases
agreed and I survived all this time by simply not growing and
focusing
on my scientific, Govt and research customers. This has been my
choice
and not me unable to compete with the companies selling drones
as toys
for the cost of a toy. I actively have avoided this market and
message
because I do not agree with it and still do not agree with
sending a
dangerous message like this to the public. I never want to put
these
in the hands of everyone until they are designed to be harmless.
I
actively over the years have held a bar up and if you did not
show
reasonable intelligence or plan I ignored you.
Now there is one company out there run by professionals who do
get it
and always seem to have gotten it. That company is Parrot. From
the
initial message to today they understand. Their message has been
clear
and they have restricted their products and their message. I
doubt
even today no one would take an ARDrone and assume it was as
capable
as a military drone nor have they every implied it. They never
sold
them for that and you must modify it to even make it autonomous.
They
have done well and will continue to do so because they
understand the
implications of a dangerous message that is spread widely. I
applaud
and agree with the foresight Parrot executives have managed
their
company and their product messages. I have no doubt they will
under
that guidance succeed here.
Others have run their companies spreading the message they make
and
sell military quality drones at toy prices. That message is out
there
and the public and government are coming to grips with it. Worse
there
are thousands of these "toys" out there without proper
instruction,
without any criteria past ability to pay for it stopping them
from
having one. They have zero built in altitude or GPS restrictions
on
them and easily can enter restricted airspace. They succeeded.
Now
just about everyone who wanted one has one and for good or bad
thousands are out there now and hundreds are flying in
restricted
airspace with untrained operators. A few are likely flown by
complete
novices with zero understanding what they are doing. How do you
undo
that? I'm not sure you can. I hope they try.
That said, it should not affect 99.99% of Paparazzi users. You
are not
them. You have a plan. You have a goal. You have understanding
of what
you purchase and plan to operate it within the laws and do the
right
thing. I know this because if you got it from me I know this.
Keep at
it. This should not affect you.
To all you developers, keep at it. Stay the course. There is no
reason
based on fact to think anything related to Paparazzi has changed
or
will change in any way.
For me. During my time off I will be doing a lot of my own
development
and learning Paparazzi even more because I will finally not be
doing
assembly work every day. I will search out new ways to help more
scientists, more researchers and more search and rescue,
conservation
and good uses of this technology to get your projects flying.
Even
better I will be mobile (sailing) and hopefully I will turn up
in your
country and we can think of new ideas for your use of Paparazzi.
Always remember Paparazzi is not a business. It can't go out of
business. The Govt and institutions out there using it also will
lobby
and follow the laws to ensure they can continue to use it. If
you
absolutely have some great project or research thing depending
on
Paparazzi hardware you will get it I assure you. Keep doing your
amazing work and I will help you in any way I can.
Sorry, this got long. I hope the message was worth it and a
positive
one not negative. I have nothing but positive thoughts about the
future of Paparazzi.
-David B. Conger
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Chris
<address@hidden> wrote:
So we are saying the same thing?
If someone wants to send a small UAV to photograph something
20 miles away
using waypoints (obviously out of sight) he will need a
licence if this is
available at all.
Chris
On 05/17/2014 01:55 PM, Ben Laurie wrote:
On 17 May 2014 11:50, Chris
<address@hidden> wrote:
Now that is good news, i oppose any
hysterical restricting legislation
issued just because some people love to control
everything.
I wonder how well birds follow paper restrictions.
In the UK if the flight is commercial in nature you need a
licence. If
it is not, then you need to have line of sight and
(emergency?)
control.
Chris
On 05/17/2014 12:39 PM, Ben Laurie wrote:
On 17 May 2014 07:43, Chris
<address@hidden> wrote:
Uav flight was already almost
everywhere forbidden for non university
or
government entities ie hobbyists i think.
Not in the UK.
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