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Re: [Pan-users] What do the time frames mean on killed authors?

From: Alan Meyer
Subject: Re: [Pan-users] What do the time frames mean on killed authors?
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:47:17 -0700 (PDT)

Thanks Duncan.  I appreciate your efforts on behalf of us Pan users. 

Alan Meyer

> From: Duncan <address@hidden>
>To: address@hidden 
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:19 AM
>Subject: Re: [Pan-users] What do the time frames mean on killed authors?
>Alan Meyer posted on Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:03:07 -0700 as excerpted:
>> I'd like to better understand the temporary kill feature.
>I like your questions.  They imply some thinking that in turn provokes 
>some thinking here, trying to answer. =:^)
>> Let's say that it is July 15, 2012.  I look at a message dated May 15,
>> 2012.  I decide that the author is someone I don't want to hear from but
>> I'll try him again later, so I kill all messages from that author for
>> six months.
>> My first question is, when is the six months up?  Is it six months from
>> the day I applied the filter, July 15, or six months from the date of
>> the message I was viewing when I applied the filter, May 15?
>Knowing the mechanism by which the ignore/kill feature works helps to 
>figure out the answers to these questions.
>First of all, in pan an "ignore" aka "kill" is no more and no less than a 
>score of -9999 or below.  (Similarly, a watch is +9999 or above.)  
>Directly, all you've done is set a rule in pan's scorefile that tells it 
>to score a particular set of matching posts, matched by from/author line 
>in this case, in a particular fashion, -9999 in this case.
>Second, what pan does with that score is then controlled by how you have 
>pan configured.
>Look on the view menu, header pane submenu.   Whatever you have set to 
>match will be shown.  If you have it set to match -9999 (aka ignored) 
>scores, they'll still display, as they will if you have it set to show 
>matching (sub)threads instead of specific articles and a displayed post 
>is above it in the subthread (for subthread-display) or anywhere in the 
>thread (for thread-display).  Only if you have it set to specific article-
>match display only, or the ignored article happens to be the top of the 
>(sub)thread, will it not show up.
>Now check pan's prefs, colors tab.  There, you can set the score-colors 
>by numeric score zones corresponding to the same zones available in the 
>view menu.
>Now, still in pan prefs, if you have a new enough pan (0.136 or newer I 
>think), check the actions tab (you won't have that tab at all if your pan 
>is too old).  Would you like to have ignored articles automatically 
>marked-read so they don't show in the unread count?  Maybe you want to 
>have them automatically deleted?  This is where you configure that... as 
>well as automatic caching/downloading of watched (or whatever, set it to 
>everything above ignored if you like) posts, if you want that.
>From that explanation, you should begin to have an idea of the answers to 
>these questions, but I'll answer them anyway.
>If you take a look at the scorefile after you've applied an expiring 
>score, you'll see it listed in the scorefile with the expiration.  Thus, 
>anything matching that rule has the action applied... until the score 
>Thus the answer to your question above is that any messages that pan 
>finds that match this person's name, until the rule expires, get assigned 
>the score of -9999 (ignored).  But that score isn't recorded with the 
>message, just in the scorefile.  So it won't (or shouldn't, if it does 
>there's a bug!) matter whether the message is a decade old or a day 
>before you added the scoring rule or posted with a fake date 100 years 
>into the future, it'll still get treated by pan as ignored, but ONLY 
>until that score expires, at which point it will be scored by whatever 
>unexpired scores still apply... if the post itself is still around at 
>that point... it hasn't itself either expired or been deleted (by you, or 
>by the automatic delete action you might have configured for ignored 
>> The next question is, are all messages from the user killed for six
>> months, even if a date on the message falls on one side or the other of
>> the six months time period?  Or is it only messages within the time
>> period that are rendered invisible?
>> Finally, what happens next?  At the end of six months (whenever that is)
>> do all messages from that user become visible again, including the ones
>> that were previously made invisible?  Or is it just the messages posted
>> after the get out of jail date that become visible?
>I believe I answered those questions above, as well.  What happens to old 
>posts after the score expires depends on whether the posts are still 
>around or not.  If they are, they'll appear, marked-read or not marked-
>read, depending on whether you'd either manually or via automatic action 
>marked them read.
>New posts by that person will of course show up now as if the score had 
>never been, since it's expired now, and will be subject to any unexpired 
>rules just like any other post.
>Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
>"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
>and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman
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