Re: [Lp-italia] numerose modifiche al sito

[alexus / dotcommon]

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:06:54 +0200, Graziano Sorbaioli <address@hidden>
wrote:
[...]
> Oggi, complice un po' di tempo libero, mi sono dedicato al sito di
> LibrePlanet Italia aggiungendo molte sezioni e modifiche.
> 
> 
> Niente e' definitivo e molte cose vanno spostate nelle apposite sezioni.
> 
> So che alexus aveva qualche idea a proposito cosi' volevo avviare una
> discussione sul sito insieme cosi' da decidere alcune linee guida che ci
> serviranno in seguito.

confermo... sto lavorando (compatibilmente con il poco tempo libero...) ad
una proposta organica per organizzare la
meglio la struttura ed i contenuti del sito, con linee guida per le parti
"sistemistiche" delle pagine (menubar, title, ecc.)...

appena ho qualcosa di un po' definito ve la proporro' qui in lista...
potrebbe essere la base per discuterne insieme...

al riguardo vi allego (copio e incollo) due risposte (ancore me le devo
"studiare") che ho avuto da Peter
di LP sulla questione struttura dei contenuti, URI e link, ecc...

saluti

alexus / dotcommon


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On Saturday 18 April 2009 22:14, dotcommon wrote:

    Il giorno sab, 18/04/2009 alle 22.44 +0200, dotcommon ha scritto:

        Hi Please have a look at the menubar in
http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/LibrePlanetItalia The links are: About ->
http://groups.fsf.org/About/LibrePlanetItalia OK FAQ ->
http://groups.fsf.org/FAQ/LibrePlanetItalia OK ... -> ... OK Project ->
http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/FSF_Groups:LibrePlanetItalia ??? Does not
the last one should point to:
http://groups.fsf.org/Project/LibrePlanetItalia ??? Can anyone fix this,
please? 

    uhm... Maybe there is nothing to fix... After a long time browsing
inside LP pages, it seems to me that: - the "main" LibrePlanetItalia FSF
group page (where we shoud introduce the group) is:
http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/LibrePlanetItalia 


yes


    - the menubar in the previous page links to this pages: About : about
our group (contacts, resources, etc.) 


yes


    FAQ: FAQ 


yes


    Join: how to join FSF, LP and our group 


yes


    Mission: our mission 


yes


    Skills: people we want 


yes, and skills the group has. We want to know the skills in all groups, so
we 
have an idea what Libre Planet can and can't do.


    News: news, about our activities, etc. 


yes


    Project: our project(s) (a general page + a subpage for each project) 


yes, the group pages are the website, the project pages are for operating
the 
group. Every project page should have a group page:

Project:LibrePlanetItalia/Project1   plan, goals, members, related projects
Article:LibrePlanetItalia/Project1    tasks, action, feedback

So when people browse your group (the website), they see your work, but not

project discussions, plans, etc. The menubars link the project and group 
pages.  Now you can update the project without changing the website
content, 
or change the website content, but not the projects.

Project:LibrePlanetItalia is the main project for all projects and the
whole 
group. All other projects should meet at least one goal of this project.

The project pages are for learning how your members work as a group, what
you 
know, and what you can do. If all groups work this way, you can find the 
right people to work on a project, even if they are from different groups.


    To add features (menubars, etc.) to a page (or a subpage) we should use
the templates provided here:
http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/Category:Template 


yes


    Please: - tell me if this is correct!!! - if I have missed or
misunderstood sth, tell me what!!! 


looks like you got it. Good job!!!

Regards,

Peter

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On Sunday 19 April 2009 10:54, you wrote:

    Il giorno dom, 19/04/2009 alle 02.57 +0000, Peter ha scritto: [...]

        Project:LibrePlanetItalia is the main project for all projects and
the whole group. All other projects should meet at least one goal of this
project. 

    Good! Just a question about URIs. In the menubar of the "main"
LibrePlanetItalia page http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/LibrePlanetItalia
the 'PROJECT' link points to this URI:
http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/FSF_Groups:LibrePlanetItalia If I have well
understood, this should be the main project page for LibrePlanetItalia...
but you say that: "Project:LibrePlanetItalia is the main project" and taht:
"Every project page should have a group page:
Project:LibrePlanetItalia/Project1 Article:LibrePlanetItalia/Project1" So
the questions: Which should be the right URI for the main (the group)
project? 


FSF_Groups:LibrePlanetItalia _is_ the page Project:LibrePlanetItalia. Both 
FSF_Groups and Project identify the same namespace. I prefer Project: for
its 
meaning, but FSF_Groups: might be better because the wiki uses it in urls.


    Which should be the right URI(s) for each ProjectX (sub)page? 


There is no right uri for a project subpage. It should be the project name,

but can be anything because the editor must create the subpage and give it
a 
name. Your main project should explain how the group creates and runs its
own 
projects. You may create Project:LibrePlanetItalia/Project to explain the 
project schema and approval method. Then, Article:LibrePlanetItalia/Project

(the website) may advertise its activities (projects) and how other LP
groups 
or partners (GLUGS, LUGS etc.) can work with your group.

You can now create Project:LibrePlanetItalia/Project/Speaker, which
explains 
how people can invite your members to talk on Libre Planet and how the
group 
will help speakers prepare their talk, transport, accommodation, and any 
required fundraising to cover expenses. It will also explain how to create
a 
speaker project and measure its success.

The Article:LibrePlanetItalia/Project/Speaker page can advertise speakers, 
topics, and the booking procedure. Obviously, you want venues in your local

area, not in another country, or maybe not ;).

Another project Project:LibrePlanetItalia/Fundraising explains how the
group 
handles raising money to fund projects, sponsor groups, or donate. The 
Article:LibrePlanetItalia/Fundraising asks for donations and offers to
raise 
funds for worthy (LP related) causes.

For something different, you may have Project:LibrePlanetItalia/Media which

explains how the group makes music, adverts, videos, etc. for marketing LP 
and advertising free software. Article:LibrePlanetItalia/Media explains the

group's activities in media, what's available for downloading, and the 
procedure to request a media project.


    This will help us to create new pages in the right way, with consistent
URIs... So, please, can you also provide us some examples using full URIs?
Maybe something like a URI tree, with the main projet URI as the root... 


The uri tree should be developed by your group. If the group and project
share 
the same tree (page names), that's correct. Groups have different interests

in LP, so their uri trees will be different. The top menubars give an idea
of 
what other pages should be created.

You will notice that the About, FAQ, and News links are not 
LibrePlanetItalia/About .. , but About/LibrePlanetItalia. These are thread 
pages that apply to all groups. This means the FAQ thread is created by the

groups themselves, but has its own uri tree. Users may navigate the FAQ 
thread without accessing any group pages, but each FAQ page has a link back

to the group page. The menubar is used to move between threads (uri trees),

namespaces (article, project, and help) and special pages (attendance, 
travel).

What we're looking for is consistent navigation in all Groups (menu links),
so 
the page names are not important like wikipedia. However, short names are 
better (Speaker, not Project_to_describe_how_to_be_a_speaker) and singular 
(speaker) not plural (speakers). With a feature rich mediawiki, editors can

set their own title (Project to describe how to be a speaker) no matter
what 
the real page name is (Project:LibrePlanetItalia/Project/Speaker).

Also, we want to categorize important group pages, so these pages should 
exist. However, Libre Planet has not defined what categories groups must
use, 
nor what pages must be categorized, so there is no right way to create
pages 
and categorize them. As we get more groups, we will see what categories
work 
best and help groups categorize their pages.
 
Right now, I think you can ask your group to work out a uri tree and put it
on 
your project page (or subpage) as a proposal. Then you can put the project 
link on the Community portal under Proposals asking for comment. You may
also 
use the Category:InputNeeded. Wait about 7 days for objections, and if you 
don't get any, remove the links, and build your group.

If you need menubars for your uri tree, 7 days should be enough time to
create 
the templates and test them, so they should be ready when you start
creating 
your pages.

The current wiki version does not provide parent and subpage links, so it
is 
important editors provide these links in every page. The parent links
should 
be a the top of the page, and subpage links at the bottom. There should be
no 
content links to subpages or parent pages. I have not found a way to get
the 
wiki to provide parent and subpage links using templates.

See http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/LibrePlanet2009/OpenConference/Activism

for an example of parent links and 
http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/LibrePlanet2009/OpenConference for an
example 
of subpage links.

Another point to consider is people joining projects, meetings, campaigns,
and 
the group. Whenever you need a list of users, make it a separate page and 
create a menu link. When we get a feature rich mediawiki, we can use forms
to 
control and manage users joining and leaving. This will keep the main event

page focused on the event and avoid it being edited by people wanting to 
attend. The attendance pages can be categorized, so we can see which events

are popular and also generate mailing lists from the pages, so we can keep 
users informed about their events.

For a real example see
http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/FSF_Groups:LibrePlanet.

Regards,

Peter

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