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[Linphone-developers] coding stats (was: Re: bug tracker)

From: Liviu Andronic
Subject: [Linphone-developers] coding stats (was: Re: bug tracker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:50:04 +0100

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Johan Pascal <address@hidden> wrote:
> Dear readers of the linphone-developers list, Hello.
> We first want to reassure you, NO the linphone project is not dead!
> Just have a look to our git repository if you want to put your mind at rest
> about this(or see for statistics on the
> project, more than 1600 commits just on linphone in 2014).
> The official git repository is not the one found on github - which indeed
> seems to be dead with last commit being two years old - but can be found on
> linphone's website.
BTW, if anyone was under any illusion that Linphone was dead, think again:

There was a huge bump in code in 2008, and coding activity has
remained sustained ever since. Curiously:
...took an estimated 183 years of effort (COCOMO model)


> As intuited by Anton Pomozov, yes Belledonne Communications, which develops
> Linphone, makes money by licensing it for commercial use and offering
> support to commercial users. So yes, commercial users are the priority
> simply because they are funding the project maintenance and developments
> which then benefits to free users too.
> Said that, and as users of others open source project ourselves, we agree
> that a reactive community is enjoyable. We have to admit we were not giving
> this list the care it deserves which lead to frustrations in good willing
> contributors.
> Even if there isn't any plan to open a public bug tracking in a near future,
> we will do our best to be more responsive and allocate some of our resources
> specifically to the community.
> Johan for the Linphone development Team.
> On 13/01/15 17:59, Eric Toombs wrote:
>> Yeah, if only there were some kind of online service (preferably free)
>> where version control and bug tracking were already set up and
>> integrated that was easy to migrate to...
>> On 2015-01-12 05:16, Anton Pomozov wrote:
>>> It is not as simple as someone may imagine.
>>> "Just create bug-tracker" is a one small step at a long long yellow brick
>>> road.
>>> In addition to the public bug-tracker you still need CVS, automatic build
>>> and deploy system, CI and test servers.
>>> All of them should be tight integrate to minimize efforts of developers
>>> to integrate patches and apply changes.
>>> To "simple apply patch" you should have big number of test cases of all
>>> kinds - unit, functionality, regress, integrate.
>>> You also should have wide and enough smart workflow for fixing issue,
>>> apply patch, develop new branch with new functionality or bug fixing in
>>> release branches.
>>> Someone should support documentation for all this stuff and for projects
>>> API, user stories, etc.
>>> Does anyone of you have enough time, money and knowledge to build whole
>>> infrastructure for that project?
>>> If you can do all this stuff and keep it opensource and free (at least
>>> for non commercial use) just fork a current project and go ahead!
>>> Everyone of us will say thank you very much!
>>> Through some kind of magic this project still alive and it is good enough
>>> to use it for our purposes, and many thanks to the maintainers for this.
>>>> 12 янв. 2015 г., в 11:57, Henrik Pauli <address@hidden>
>>>> написал(а):
>>>> I have a *patch* that's been regularly ignored for 3 years :)
>>>> On 11/01/15 23:54, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Peter Villeneuve
>>>>> <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't think so.
>>>>>> I have the exact same problem. I posted a bug about the Samsung Notes
>>>>>> 2 and
>>>>>> 3 here but never got any replies. I also noticed another user posted a
>>>>>> similar bug here months ago and he was also ignored (and the bug
>>>>>> continues).
>>>>> I'd like to add my voice to this. Often I hesitate whether it is worth
>>>>> my effort reporting this or that annoying bug that makes Linphone
>>>>> unusable, simply because most of the times my reports on the ML get
>>>>> unnoticed, or at the very least don't get any replies. From the users'
>>>>> perspective, incredibly frustrating, as it's no fun when your efforts
>>>>> are almost surely going to waste. And this most certainly dampens many
>>>>> users' enthusiasm to help Linphone devels track down issues with their
>>>>> open-source software...
>>>>> So yeah, a real bug tracker would be so much nicer. As would be more
>>>>> interaction from Linphone devels. Knowing that a bug was heard, that
>>>>> it was discussed, and that it was decided to wontfix or to fix (and
>>>>> that there is an approximate time frame, say, before the end of next
>>>>> year) is most satisfying for your users...
>>>>> Perhaps Linphone needs a dedicated community organizer, or similar?
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Liviu
>>>>>> In fact, if you look through the archives, you'll notice most bug
>>>>>> reports
>>>>>> never get any replies.
>>>>>> Not the most organized open source project I've seen...
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Eric Toombs <address@hidden>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Does linphone have a /real/ bug tracker? I posted a couple bugs on
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> mailing list a year ago or so, and they were just buried, which is
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> usually happens on a mailing list.
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