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Re: Message size limit

From: Kenneth Wolcott
Subject: Re: Message size limit
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2023 13:12:57 -0800

Hard disagree on rich text :-)

Rich text and other kinds of formatting issues all occur when there is
no formatting standard required to be met.  Having everyone use
exactly the same formatting rules would be overly burdensome.  Getting
everyone to agree to a set of formatting rules would be nearly
impossible.  When person A uses a formatting style best suited to
them, person B may have extreme difficulty understanding what is being
expressed when their formatting style is significantly different.
Some people really do not like having a rich text environment forced
on them (perhaps the person is using a text-based interface,
text-based email app, text-based editor, etc).

  What I think is best if the specific desired formatting of the crux
of the issue (not the entire email content) is best placed in an
attachment, just like pdf, png, jpeg, gif, etc files.

  Well, that's my two cents on the issue :-)

Ken Wolcott

On Sat, Mar 4, 2023 at 1:03 PM Saul Tobin <> wrote:
> Hard disagree on plain text emails.
> I didn't really have a strong opinion re the whole discussion about message 
> boards vs. email, but IMO the world has moved on to rich text email with 
> embedded media. I think the reliance on plain text email as the standard for 
> this mailing list detracts significantly from the conversation. Inlining 
> images makes it much easier to communicate typesetting questions and also 
> much easier to quickly respond, especially when viewing messages on a cell 
> phone.
> Rich text emails with embedded media should IMO be supported as first class 
> citizens of the mailing list.
> Saul
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2023 at 12:18 PM Valentin Petzel <> wrote:
>> Hi Jean,
>> I think Robin is talking about embedded images that are quoted on reply,
>> resulting in the same attachment being sent back and forth over and over
>> again.
>> Of course this does not matter when you send plain text emails, which should
>> be the sensible choice ...
>> Cheers,
>> Valentin
>> Am Samstag, 4. März 2023, 16:53:11 CET schrieb Jean Abou Samra:
>> > Le samedi 04 mars 2023 à 16:45 +0100, Robin Bannister a écrit :
>> > > Jean Abou Samra wrote:
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > >
>> > > > We've been informed that the size of messages to this list containing
>> > > > large attachments is occasionally clogging up the GNU list server's
>> > > > mail delivery queue, causing distribution delays (not just for this
>> > > > list, but for everyone on the hundreds of other lists).
>> > > >
>> > > > To avoid this, your friendly list admins have configured a max message
>> > > > size of 512KB.>
>> > > Is there any specific advice for users taking screenshots?
>> >
>> > Not sure I understand the question. Why would they differ from other kinds
>> > of attachments?
>> > > Especially inline ones: those get copied when quoted, cf 2021-09.
>> >
>> > What are you referring to precisely? There are lots of messages in the list
>> > archives for September 2021.

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