Re: Notation: Piano: How best to indicate left hand or right hand fingering in polyphonic works?

[R.H.]

Oh, thank you Mark

I start understanding how differently source files are made by different people. It is very helpful. 

What I see is that you do not separate voices but you separate actually fingering into "rightone", "righttwo" and "left". I hope I understood this correctly? I have to study the effects more closely.

Let us assume you want the top or bass voice to be in another color. Here, the way you created it seems to make this difficult to do, for example to assign a different color to note heads of different voices -- independently of left or right hand fingering.

I believe, it is helpful for students to also visually separate the voices in polyphonic music -- with the idea, of course, to make such voices eventually also sound differently -- for Bach, Glenn Gould was doing this to perfection. 

Yes, I know, the original also does not contain any hints about tempo, phrasing marks, etc. which are up to interpretation for modern piano and style of _expression_ of the performer. So, for a student's edition, I would like to add such marks and it is the original idea of starting to use Lilypond.

Roland

Am Sa., 23. Mai 2020 um 20:51 Uhr schrieb Mark Stephen Mrotek <address@hidden>:

Very Welcome, Roland,

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The 3-voice that I could readily find is WTC I – 3. It is attached.

Be free to ask and questions or request clarifications.

 

Mark

 

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Oh, thank you Mark

 

Well, that would be great to see your version. Thank you for your offer!

 

For me it is all exercise in LP now and, anyway, my next version would be on the two-staff usual piano version. Nevertheless, as I may also publish the documents for learners of piano including practicing notes, I was thinking whether there is a standard way or any idea of indicating the different voices and fingering in the standard version -- so, I would use your version to add those details (if not existing of course).

 

In the piano-two staves version I would color the different voices (notes heads, stems, rests, etc.) -- again for practice.

 

Thanks again

Roland

 

 

 

 

 

Am Sa., 23. Mai 2020 um 19:58 Uhr schrieb Mark Stephen Mrotek <address@hidden>:

Roland,

 

I doubt is anyone can provide a “better” way since that valuation is entirely based on how the way works for you.

When I set the 3-part fugues I use two staves. The soprano and alto in the upper and the bass in the lower. If the alto moves into the region of the bass that is indicated with a \changeStaff = “lower”.

 

I can send an example.

 

Mark

 

From: lilypond-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=address@hidden] On Behalf Of R.H.
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Subject: Notation: Piano: How best to indicate left hand or right hand fingering in polyphonic works?

 

Hello to all

 

Since some days I got immersed into Lilypond learning and the addtional usage of Frescobaldi then was a game changer. I see the dedication to quality in both products.

 

For my own piano practice, I am working on the Fugue IX from the Well-Tempered Clavier Book 1 from S.B. Bach. The work has three voices. To differentiate the voices I used a template for three voices and was able to come up with a decent version. Next, I also want to add some harmonic function to also visually better understand how the work is built (as a Fugue of course).

 

Now, I call these "My piano practice sheets" as they are for practice only. My teacher asked me to practice each voice separately first and only then start combining them.

 

Since here the middle or "mezzio" voice is played sometimes with the fingers of the left and sometimes with the fingers of the right hand, I decided to consistently indicate this fingering "up" for the left hand, and "down" for the right and use it per note such as "a16_4" for a down fingering or "a16^1" for an up-fingering.

 

I am not sure that this is the right way to do. Of course, there can be indicators such as "r.h" and "l.h.", but there would be too many and it is rather distracting to the eye. And it als forces me to have all fingering either up and down, but not in inside the lines.

 

Currently, I color the fingingerings of the voicing line. Maybe left or right hand could have a color.

 

But maybe somone has a better idea...?

 

Thanks to all and have a nice weekend

Roland

 

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