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Thu, 21 Sep 2023 14:26:49 -0400
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I didn't look into it that much, but what you said about licensing
sounds right if true.
Software freedom is foundational. Freedom is dependent on having the
ability to use free software. The message gets very muddy when people
mistake the FSF for the Free Speech Foundation or any other sort of
freedom not included in the four software freedoms.
I'm not interested in minds.com at all and will not promote any social
media platform that would be categorized as a free speech zone. I would
recommend several free software platforms in the fediverse which we
Michael McMahon | Web Developer, Free Software Foundation
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On 9/21/23 13:55, Valentino Giudice wrote:
> Minds could be categorized as a "free speech zone" social network which
> are typically popular with fascists so count me out.
Fascism and freedom of speech are entirely incompatible and antithetical
to each other.
It could be true that fascist today use free speech platforms, but it is
certainly not what they desire.
From reading from the FSF/GNU websites, it has always been my
impression that freedom of speech is valued by the free software
community, in a way it certainly is not by fascists.
Indeed, filtering what one reads and publicly writes through the erratic
whims of some corporation, typically guided by capitalist interests and
the need to applease advertisers, as it usually happens on most
platforms (such as X and Facebooks), implies restricting one's behavior
in a way akin to what proprietary software leads to.
> The licensing of the minds project is also questionable.
Elgg dual-licenses the project, except plugins, under both the MIT
license and the GPL 2.
Obviously, if someone uses the whole of Elgg, they effectively have to
use it under the GPL 2.
Now, I agree with the GitHub comment, on the Elgg issue, that you
referenced. Indeed, if Elgg is packaged with GPL-2.0 only plugins, it
must have the GPL-2.0-only license (as a package).
However, the issue is specifically about the identifier of the license
for the whole package (for automated tools), which is not what is in
If someone uses Ellg without plugins, they can do so under the MIT
license, which is, of course, AGPL-compatible.
The project which is actually derived from Elgg is:
Indeed, the situation wasn't clear to me at first, so I asked.
Minds is using the portion of Elgg which is released under the MIT
license and is complying with the MIT license (in a way my dumb self
didn't notice because I looked everywhere except the LICENSE file, which
I assumed to be just the text of the AGPL):
I do have some issues with Minds, but as far as licensing is
concerned, in relation to Elgg, it seems fine with me.