Re: A challenge for community to go beyond what's already rule

[Lori Nagel]

   >It is just a matter of attitude. If programmers themselves support
   >and demand writing only free software then customers will not complain
   >as customers need a product.
   I see a lot of programmers who want to write free software, but feel
   they must bow down to their corporate overlords, or support currently
   existing software business models and marketing tactics (rather than
   looking outside the software industry to invent new ones.)   I also
   know some software developers who love to code, but would rather not
   touch the "dirty" marketing side of things, thus not using effective
   methods to reach new customers. And, instead of saying "hey, I need
   help with that." they label the marketing person as "evil" and push
   them away.

   On Friday, November 20, 2020, 1:40:18 PM EST, Jean Louis
   <bugs@gnu.support> wrote:
   * Lori Nagel via libreplanet-discuss
   <[1]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> [2020-11-20 21:21]:
   >    I believe in buying local if at all possible. Sometimes, that
   doesn't
   >    work or doesn't really make sense (like if i tried to grow all my
   >    tropical fruit in a greenhouse)
   I would buy local stuff would it be of good quality. Let us say when
   thinking of African countries one may think of ecologically produced
   crops, but that is not so, far from it! They learned what everybody
   does so they do it too, so they purchase inexpensive Indian
   manufactured pesticides and spray all over all crops with it, any
   crops without taking care how to apply it properly. Wordings on the
   pesticides are written so small that I have to use the magnifier to
   read
   it, and it is not because of my eyesight. Then one can read that it
   causes so many side effects and that one bottle is enough even for
   many hectares of land. And they spray one bottle on 20 meter by 20
   meter piece of land. Then I should eat those beans, potatoes, sweet
   potatoes and what else. So there is no special preference from where
   product comes from. Everybody would like it is local as distance is
   practical benefit and there is no doubt about it. Problem is that
   local products often do not exist in the form how one wants it.
   >    If there isn't a local one, in your country or geographic area, I
   >    think it is perfectly fine to buy an overseas one.  That is one
   >    of the reason why I do not support the abuse of copyright to
   >    prevent people from printing stuff in their own countries.
   That I did not quite understand. You basically say that you would not
   prevent people printing stuff in their own countries?
   In those countries outside of Europe and North America by large and
   practically there are no problems with any copyrights. Those cases are
   mostly left for larger companies while normal people can simply do
   what they want. Would Chinese people would purchase foreign products
   in large?  I do not think so.  They have all proprietary and free
   software anyway gratis or for peanuts, few cents, so they can get it
   and nobody will punish them.
   South America, Africa, Central America, Eastern Europe, Asia and
   Africa, in those areas practical life is pretty much careless in
   relates to any copyrights. I find it good so and I hate that I have to
   worry when downloading some files over Torrent when I am in Germany.
   >    I do try to practice what I preach (and I try not to be an
   >    annoying preacher alienating people with impractical ideologies.)
   >    I am a member of a CSA, community supported agriculture.
   Do you work with villages? Here is one good book for you, I think
   copyrights expired, it is free, so you may use it to enhance
   communities:
   [2]https://www.startyourowngoldmine.com/files/books/social-betterment/H
   omemaking%20Handbook%20for%20Village%20Workers%20in%20Many%20Countries.
   pdf
   >    I think that is an interesting business model that software
   >    developers should look into if they want to make a living from
   >    software development without resorting to the proprietary model
   >    for "the long tail" of software, that is, software that is not
   >    general purpose but has a specialized niche audience, (an area
   >    where there is often way to much proprietary software,
   >    particularly software targeted at non-technical people who just
   >    want to get stuff done, and not spend hours writing code.)
   Alright. I do hold opinion that it does not matter. There were few
   small orders online and I said if they wish to work with me, that is
   fine, but software written has to be free software and I have not have
   problems of acceptance. They agreed on it. And they also used other
   free software only that nobody in the company used it or looked at it
   ideologically. We created some shell scripts for customers like
   installation assistants and similar.
   Companies really need support together with software. Programmers and
   companies can as well be free software oriented such as Purism
   [3]https://puri.sm and still earn good money and make profits. We can
   see
   free code hosting providers also making money. We can see Wordpress as
   free software where plethora of people are making money with it, or by
   developing it or otherwise. There are so many free software projects
   that are making money.
   GNU Health and OpemEMR are good examples as whoever installs such
   software for hospitals can make good money by providing support,
   installation and networking in hospitals worldwide.
   It is just a matter of attitude. If programmers themselves support
   and demand writing only free software then customers will not complain
   as customers need a product.
   Jean

References

   1. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
   2. 
https://www.startyourowngoldmine.com/files/books/social-betterment/Homemaking 
Handbook for Village Workers in Many Countries.pdf
   3. https://puri.sm/