Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward

[MARY-ANNE WOLF]

I have no way to confirm the accuracy of the accusations, or any missing 
context, 
but here are some sources of specifics in random order
https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/EMACS_virgins_joke
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3087673
https://fossforce.com/2019/09/yesterdays-man-the-fall-of-richard-stallman/
https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/994356331749429248
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8yqj6/stallman_continues_to_embarrass_us_all/

Mary-Anne


> On September 24, 2019 at 12:03 PM 'smee via libreplanet-discuss 
> <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Please answer my other questions if you insist there are real people
> who have had a bad experience with a particular project because of
> their sex or sexual orientation. Specifics shouldn't be hard to come up
> with given the strength of your assertion. Please give specifics. Or
> address any one of my other points instead of setting up a strawman and
>  knocking it down.
> 
> On Tue, 2019-09-24 at 11:55 -0400, Deb Nicholson wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 10:46 AM 'smee <overthefalls@opengroupware.ch
> > > wrote:
> > > Quote from you:
> > > "The outrage (and demand for new leadership) is coming from real
> > > women
> > > who
> > > have tried to participate in free software and been rebuffed by
> > > sexist
> > > behavior who felt that perhaps at this moment they might *finally*
> > > be
> > > heard."
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Please give examples giving details of how these people were
> > > 'rebuffed'. What exactly were they trying to do when they were
> > > rebuffed? 
> > > 
> > > Serious question. Were they submitting code? Were they doing QA
> > > work?
> > > Which project rebuffed them and what was the reason given?
> > > 
> > > I think most projects (especially those conscientious enough to be
> > > in
> > > the free software movement) would be happy to have contributions
> > > from
> > > anyone and don't go out of their way to even find out the sex of
> > > contributors, much less 'rebuff' them for being a particular sex.
> > > And, the funny thing is, these contributors could fork the code,
> > > call
> > > out the sexism, and basically take over the code of any project
> > > they
> > > were interested in. Anyone in free software knows this, it gives a
> > > peaceful solution to these type of situations. 
> > > 
> > > Why attack the FSF and RMS? 
> > 
> > I have not attacked the FSF. 
> >  
> > > Epstein is the horrible piece of trash (as well as all of his
> > > associates) that committed the worst atrocities we've heard of
> > > recently
> > > against women. 
> > > 
> > > Let's not take attention away from that fact or the fact that he is
> > > likely still alive, and that Ghislaine Maxwell is still free and,
> > > seemingly won't ever be charged or even approached about this. She
> > > is
> > > trash and shouldn't be allowed to show her face anywhere in the
> > > world
> > > again for being his accomplice. 
> > > 
> > > Let's keep the spotlight where it belongs (epstein, maxwell,
> > > everyone
> > > including judges and politicians who helped him) when it comes to
> > > all
> > > the things you're accusing RMS of. Those are the real animals. I'm
> > > starting to think this whole thing is a distraction from those
> > > pieces
> > > of garbage. What do you think people? Don't forget EPSTEIN and
> > > MAXWELL
> > > should continue to be the focus until that thing is actually
> > > resolved. 
> > > 
> > > @ Deb Nicholson, I have a number of questions above, if you insist
> > > on
> > > your assertion, then provide what I've requested please.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 2019-09-24 at 09:13 -0400, Deb Nicholson wrote:
> > > > The outrage (and demand for new leadership) is coming from real
> > > women
> > > > who
> > > > have tried to participate in free software and been rebuffed by
> > > > sexist
> > > > behavior who felt that perhaps at this moment they might
> > > *finally* be
> > > > heard.
> > > 
> 
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