Re: [libreplanet-discuss] libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 34, Issue 11

[Patrick]

Hi Luke, Hi Robert

Thanks for your posts today.

I know I am in the wrong place now. I will be unsubscribing soon.

I am going to try the OSI(it doesn't seem I can subscribe to their list 
though...) and then if that fails I'm going closed source.

I was very upset yesterday and didn't sleep well at all after it. Sorry 
to everyone I offended, these issue mean so much to me.

-Patrick






On 12-10-04 07:08 AM, luke.leighton wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 11:38 AM,
> <libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org> wrote:
>
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:11:53 -0400
> > From: Patrick <patrick@spellingbeewinnars.org>
> > To: Ted Smith <tedks@riseup.net>
> > Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
> > Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] help with FSF incompatible but
> >          community oriented licence(s)
> > Message-ID: <506CB829.6040903@spellingbeewinnars.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> >
> > > It goes against the mission of this mailing list as an FSF project to
> > > help anyone find a license meeting this criteria:
> > Then I give up.
> >
> > But in closing, if you are not making incremental progress towards your
> > goals then you won't reach them.
> >
> > It's sad that BSD is gaining traction. It's much worse then GPL and all
> > that I am concerned about is worse with it.
>   yes.  this is only part of the story: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/8991.html
>
>   the other part of the story is the "estoppel defense", which you
> should look up.  google and other copyright holders *knowing* that
> there are GPL Copyright infringements taking place, and them doing
> *nothing about it*, it is possible, especially after many years, for
> an infringer to [successfully] claim that they *implicitly* were given
> permission, due to the non-enforcement of the Copyright license.
>
>   this is not a bullshit defense, it's a legitimate defense with a
> specific legal name, called "estoppel".  in germany, there is even a
> fixed time limit of 30 days for Copyright infringement cases to be
> brought against criminal infringers.  beyond that 30 day period, you
> *automatically* lose all rights to continue Copyright infringement.
>
>   in the case of BSD Licenses however, there is absolutely no such
> time-limited recourse [implicit or explicit]: it's already over.  you
> *gave* permission for people to not release the source code.
>
> > I am alone with this and depressed
>   you're not alone.  i can't help you with the depression bit though :)
>
> l.