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From: Ricky Mujica
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 29, Issue 13
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:42:25 -0400

I think the FSF definition of "Free Software" should be "Libre Software".
"Libre" is very specific and cannot be interpreted as "Free as in beer", which is Spanish would be "gratis".
Libre, sounds more worldly than "free", and it's much clearer.
R

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Today's Topics:

  1. Technology Integration in Education (Joel Kahn)
  2. Re: New GNU (Robert Martinez)
  3. Re: New GNU (John Sullivan)
  4. Re: New GNU (Jason Self)
  5. Re: New GNU ( Micha? 'rysiek' =?utf-8?q?_Wo=C5=BAniak?=)
  6. Free Electronic Voting Software / hardware?
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  7. Re: New GNU (Richard Stallman)
  8. Re: New GNU (Richard Stallman)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:22:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joel Kahn <address@hidden>
To: "address@hidden"
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       "address@hidden"
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Subject: [libreplanet-discuss] Technology Integration in Education
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Technology Integration in Education (TIE) . . .

http://www.technologyintegrationineducation.com/

. . . is looking for experts to speak, in 45-minute
webinars, on various topics related to integrating
technology with education. Contacts:

Greg Limperis
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Nick Mark
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Best of luck.

Joel




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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 22:33:35 +0200
From: Robert Martinez <address@hidden>
To: Dave Crossland <address@hidden>
Cc: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU
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On 11/05/12 07:23, Dave Crossland wrote:
>> I think a sustainable "free software" label is missing
> I think the GPL functions as this. I know people who don't use
> GNU+Linux as their main OS but who search for GPL software (eg they
> web search for 'gpl cd burning windows')
>

The GPL is far from being a label:

_it is a license, and a special one with an important twist
  (and therefore quite abstract and hard to explain)
_it is intransparent and scattered into GPL, GPLv3, AGPL, LGPL,....
_it is not equal to the term "free software", there is lots of
  free software that does not and cannot carry that label

It is way too hard to know if certain applications actually ARE free
software as described by the fsf.
The label that misses would not have to be a big legal document that
works for code projects.
It should be just that: a label.
Your 5 step theory points to the ultimate goal: "software freedom matters."
But what is that insight good for if people cannot recognize it?
Interested people would are drawn to more popular labels like "the
linux" or "open source", get attracted to the nice superficial
principles and loose the awareness of the importance of freedom.

My point is: we need a label for fsf approved "free software". There is
none.



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:38:26 -0400
From: John Sullivan <address@hidden>
To: Robert Martinez <address@hidden>
Cc: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU
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Robert Martinez <address@hidden> writes:

> My point is: we need a label for fsf approved "free software". There
> is none.
>

This is an interesting point. If we had a nice graphic, saying such, we
could encourage people to display it, with a link to
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html.

Also, we are trying to turn http://directory.fsf.org into something that
could fill this purpose. That should hold all free software that can be
run on a free operating system. There would then be a badge/label/button
which can be displayed elsewhere to indicate that the program is
verified as such. It's a work in progress, but that's where we're
headed.

-john

--
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:41:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Jason Self" <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU
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John Sullivan <address@hidden> wrote ..
> This is an interesting point. If we had a nice graphic, saying such, we
> could encourage people to display it, with a link to
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html.

I have always liked this:
http://trisquel.info/logos/libre.png
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 01:02:56 +0200
From: " Micha? 'rysiek' =?utf-8?q?_Wo=C5=BAniak?="      <address@hidden>
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Dnia sobota, 12 maja 2012 o 00:41:26 Jason Self napisa?(a):
> John Sullivan <address@hidden> wrote ..
>
> > This is an interesting point. If we had a nice graphic, saying
> > such, we could encourage people to display it, with a link to
> > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html.
>
> I have always liked this:
> http://trisquel.info/logos/libre.png

I think Creative Commons got it right. Few simple icons, showing just
how much freedom one has - in our case this could be e.g.:

"Free Software"
"Runs on Free Operating System(s)"
"Runs in-browser"/"Web-app"
etc.

--
Pozdrawiam
Micha? "rysiek" Wo?niak

Fundacja Wolnego i Otwartego Oprogramowania
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 02:05:00 +0000 (UTC)
From: address@hidden
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Subject: [libreplanet-discuss] Free Electronic Voting Software /
       hardware?
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Hello,

I'm an elected Town Meeting member in Billerica, MA.  We have just passed an article to implement electronic voting at future Town Meetings (Target date is the fall 2012 session), and I have been appointed to the committee that will be choosing the hardware and software that will be used.

Does any one know of an EVS system that uses Free / Open software?

This is not for elections and other widely dispersed voting such as the Debian folks use - it is more of an "audience response" system.  We have an approximate maximum of 250 representatives, that all meet in the same room at the same time, and vote on things as a body.  The electronic voting system will be replacing the use of voice votes, standing counts and other such methods.

The assumption is that each representative will have some form of "clicker" on the order of a simple TV remote control that they will use indicate their vote, with some sort of wireless data collection and tabulation.  Obviously the hardware for such a system will need to be purchased (and there are many vendors of such systems), but I'd like to choose a system that used FLOSS for the software side of it....

An approximate list of system requirements...

1. Support for at least 250 representatives - who must be individually identifiable, as recent changes in our Open Meeting laws seem to require that votes be done in a roll-call manner, as well as preventing double voting, etc.

2. For better or worse, must be capable of interoperating with the existing Town software infrastructure, which is mostly proprietary (Microsoft) based.

3. Ideally be limited in range so that only representatives that are actually IN the room at the time can vote (so that all debate is heard, we don't want folks voting who are out in the hall or in the restroom voting w/o having heard the debate...)

4. Must have the ability to support electronic "queuing" to more readily allow people wishing to speak on an issue to line up (currently this is one of our most controversial problems as manually looking for raised hands inevitably leads to "race conditions" of who was first, and whether or not people were seen, etc...)

5. Support at least Yes, No, and Abstain votes, quorum counts, and other such measures that a meeting might require.  (while staying reasonably simple and "user friendly")

6. Use hardware that is readily available and likely to continue to remain so, in order to allow replacement of lost / broken voting units.  The voting hardware should also be ADA compliant / handicapped usable.

7. Be easy for the people doing check-in / out to administer in terms of distributing the voting units and collecting them at the end of a meeting. (during any given meeting, a particular rep. must be linked to a particular unit, but the link does not necessarily need to be retained between meetings...)

Thanks,
ART
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Arthur Torrey
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 22:28:16 -0400
From: Richard Stallman <address@hidden>
To: Patrick Anderson <address@hidden>
Cc: address@hidden, address@hidden
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU
Message-ID: <address@hidden>
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   In other words, we need to be able to show (not just explain) how
   User Freedom helps that person have a better life.

"A better life" is somewhat ambiguous, so I don't necessarily agree
with that statement.

I think it is enough to show people various ways that being under someone
else's power can hurt you.

--
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin St
Boston MA 02110
USA
www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
 Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 22:28:44 -0400
From: Richard Stallman <address@hidden>
To: "Richard-qbiciii" <address@hidden>
Cc: address@hidden, address@hidden
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU
Message-ID: <address@hidden>
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   What is the role of free software and the developers who believe in a higher
   cause?

I tink free software IS a higher cause.  Having control over your computing
is now an essential human right.

Of course, this is part of the broader cause of human rights in
general.

          It is my belief that our role is to take back the freedoms that have
   been stolen from us by trickery and subversion. What can we possible offer
   to the masses? Another social networking program, word processor, or some
   cool nitch application? How about giving back their voices, security, and
   privacy.

It sounds good, but it is very general.

    There is little doubt, to anyone
   with any reasoning skills left, that we are moving rapidly to a fascist
   state.

I agree.

   While the new and popular movements , like OWS and such, are beneficial, the
   exposure of the message to the masses is still controlled by entities who
   are in fact enemies of the people.

If you're talking about the problem of the corporate-dominated mass
media, I agree -- but how to change this is not clear.  Many efforts
have been made, with only partial success.

   No one but the originator has the
   private key, and in fact, no other attributes need be added if the holder
   does not wish to. The only thing that is important is that the certificate
   is unique and that it represents a valid living person. THAT IS ALL.

This could be useful.  I don't see how it relates to the issue
of how to get any messages out to the people, but it could be very useful
for other things.

Do you mind if I ask some encryption experts to look at this idea?
--
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin St
Boston MA 02110
USA
www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
 Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call



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