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Re: Alternative network stack design (was: Re: Potential use case for op

From: Pierre THIERRY
Subject: Re: Alternative network stack design (was: Re: Potential use case for opaque space bank: domain factored network stack
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 03:04:55 +0100
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Scribit Marcus Brinkmann dies 08/01/2007 hora 00:51:
> I don't think so.  The effect of the proposal is intended to be the
> following: Pages can be "tagged" so that they can be made opaque by
> certain designated (and thus authorized) subsystems only.  Ownership
> of the resource remains within the party who did the tagging.  I think
> that this description catches the main idea.

So basically you introduce the opaque memory but only some parts of the
system can use it.

How will they be differentiated, and how will it be extensible? If it
is, what will prevent the system to be configured so that anyone can use

What I don't understand in your proposal is that it looks like "I don't
want opaque memory, but I need it, so I'll use it and pretend it's not

The net effect is that if someone wants to use opaque memory to do the
harm you want to make impossible, it seems to me that his task to make
it possible will be quite simple.

Even if the discrimination between services that are able to use opaque
memory and services that can't is hardwired into Hurd's source code in a
way that prevents any extensibility that could be used to bypass that
protection, it will be a matter of recompiling the kernel or the space
bank, and the resulting "harmful" one could be transparently used in
place of the "harmless" one[1].

And patches to do so would probably be very easy to manage and keep

I don't agree with the transparent memory design, but it could probably
make it really harder to run undebuggable proprietary software on Hurd.
On the other hand, I don't see what your restricted opaque memory can
really achieve, apart from making the Hurd less powerful than what it
could be (or powerful, but with a power a bit less easy to use).

[1] except if you design a tivoized Hurd with the help of the TC
technology, which I really doubt you would ;-)
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