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Re: Someone start maintaining luddites.el
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Po Lu |
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Re: Someone start maintaining luddites.el |
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Wed, 29 Dec 2021 17:19:49 +0800 |
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Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com> writes:
> Even if you don’t read NEWS, you know what the mode does: it keeps
> Emacs behave the same as it currently is. So you shouldn’t need to
> remember or read or understand anything. And again, if you don’t like
> it, you don’t have to use it. So I don’t think it adds any burden to
> you.
No, I'll have to read the antinews in order to come to an intelligent
decision as to whether or not it should be enabled.
> I think the effectiveness of this mode, in terms of support of adding
> changes, would be equivalent to “you can add a line of code to .emacs
> to revert it”. Ie, not much different from the status quo. It’s just
> AFTER the change is made, one’s life is easier if he decides that he
> don’t want any of that.
That's extra trouble for everyone, and you still haven't demonstrated
why someone won't say:
Let's set indent-tabs-mode to nil by default, people can just revert
it by turning on luddites-mode.
Or something to that effect.
> If a variable is removed, we can’t help it. But if it is removed,
> there must be very good reason to do so and it must has been obsoleted
> for many years, ie, it’s due time. If it is just obsolete, resetting
> it shouldn’t hurt anything.
But one will have to
>> Then let's see which causes the smallest mob of people who complain.
> I don’t quite understand that. What are you referring to as “which”?
"Which one of the options that people are complaining about"
> They are equivalent, but a switch is more convenient. The whole point
> (I think) is that it’s equivalent to adding code to init.el, but more
> convenient: you don’t need to figure out what code to add, you don’t
> need to maintain the code, you don’t need to remember what that code
> does and why it is added, etc.
As I said, you will have to understand _all_ of what changed in order to
make an intelligent decision to turn it on or off, whereas without such
a feature, people can just individually revert the changes that cause
them inconvenience.
> Do you agree with my claim that adding this feature will not make
> Emacs change default values when they are not due?
I still don't, because you didn't answer my concerns there.
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