Re: help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 198, Issue 83

[Budi]

How to hook string/word at point to be as input interactive M-: key,
i.e. prompting Eval: on minibuffer ?

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>    1. abbrev_defs & capitalised words (Sharon Kimble)
>    2. Re: abbrev_defs & capitalised words (Eli Zaretskii)
>    3. Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces (Emanuel Berg)
>    4. Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces (Emanuel Berg)
>    5. Re: abbrev_defs & capitalised words (Sharon Kimble)
>    6. Re: abbrev_defs & capitalised words (tomas@tuxteam.de)
>    7. Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces (tomas@tuxteam.de)
>    8. Re: abbrev_defs & capitalised words (Eli Zaretskii)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 08:41:32 +0100
> From: Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: abbrev_defs & capitalised words
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> I'm having a big problem with new words that are added to abbrev_defs if the
> word I want it to be is capitalised. How can I get emacs to save it
> capitalised please, as its only doing it in lower-case.
>
> Example - Sunday shows in abbrev_defs as, (or would if it was actually
> saved, which it isn't!)
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> "sunday"    0     "sunday"
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> Thanks
> Sharon.
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> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 10:55:57 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: abbrev_defs & capitalised words
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>> From: Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
>> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 08:41:32 +0100
>>
>> I'm having a big problem with new words that are added to abbrev_defs if
>> the word I want it to be is capitalised. How can I get emacs to save it
>> capitalised please, as its only doing it in lower-case.
>
> Did you read the doc string of 'define-abbrev'?
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 10:51:35 +0200
> From: Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces
> Message-ID: <86pno8fd60.fsf@zoho.eu>
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> tomas wrote:
>
>> Because the second one has no "DNS authority
>> section" [1]. As a background: this DMARC
>> (and DKIM and SPF) stuff uses DNS as
>> a distributed database.
>>
>> Your computer is set up to ask your local
>> domain name server (192.168.10.1). This one
>> asks another server, and so on, until that
>> recursion hits the server which "knows" where
>> dmarc.zoho.eu is.
>>
>> But your local server isn't totally stupid
>> and keeps (caches) that answer, because it
>> knows you and expects you to ask again: then
>> it can answer right away. But because he
>> (she?)'s a truthful server, it will tell you:
>> "so-and-so told me" -- that's the authority
>> section (I don't quite remember whether dig
>> shows you the authority section for cached
>> answers or for fresh ones).
>>
>> Or something like that :-)
>
> If it works like that, why doesn't it keep at
> it until it gets the authority reply?
> Perhaps there is a setting for that...
>
>>> What does 122 B and 176 B mean?
>>
>> That would mean bytes, I think. The size of
>> the answer.
>
> Aha, great!
>
>>> Where can you see their mailing list policy?
>>
>> That should be the very first line of the DNS
>> reply:
>>
>>> v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; fo=0;
>>> rua=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu;
>>> ruf=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu
>
> Isn't that is the _query_?
>
>> That all said... I'd urge everyone to chose
>> a mail provider who cares about mail. The big
>> ones, the "free" offers and your ISP all want
>> to kill mail because there's no money in it.
>
> With ads, side- and extension services that
> aren't free of charge, the accumulation of user
> data, and so on, there is tons of money
> in mail.
>
>> Since they can't kill it directly, they
>> starve it. Spam (and the corresponding
>> anti-spam measures) are their allies in that.
>
> Tin foil hats on everyone :)
>
>> There are small mail providers who take
>> a very affordable amount (here in DE
>> typically 1EUR/month) and actually know what
>> they are doing
>
> For all their technical superiority, they sure
> don't charge much...
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 11:01:30 +0200
> From: Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces
> Message-ID: <86lfywfcph.fsf@zoho.eu>
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> tomas wrote:
>
>> That should be the very first line of the DNS
>> reply:
>>
>>> v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; fo=0;
>>> rua=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu;
>>> ruf=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu
>
> No, you are right!
>
> I thought that was part of Bob's command!
>
> No wonder I got wierd results!
>
> --
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 12:56:02 +0100
> From: Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: abbrev_defs & capitalised words
> Message-ID: <871s0onk19.fsf@skimble.plus.com>
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> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> From: Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
>>> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 08:41:32 +0100
>>>
>>> I'm having a big problem with new words that are added to abbrev_defs if
>>> the word I want it to be is capitalised. How can I get emacs to save it
>>> capitalised please, as its only doing it in lower-case.
>>
>> Did you read the doc string of 'define-abbrev'?
>
> I'm not sure what you mean, so I googled it, which led to [1], [2], and
> finally [3]. And I'm still not sure what you mean! But this might be what
> you mean, from my abbrev_defs  -
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> define-abbrev-table 'global-abbrev-table
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> What I'm hoping for is something that I can put in my config which will save
> capitalised entries into my abbrev_defs.
>
> Thanks
> Sharon.
>
> [:1] http://www.jedsoft.org/jed/doc/jedfuns-5.html
> [:2]
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19032166/how-to-abbreviate-path-in-emacs
> [:3] The emacs manual (Seventeenth Edition, Updated for Emacs Version
> 27.0.50.) and Section 26 - Abbrevs
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 14:20:59 +0200
> From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
> To: Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: abbrev_defs & capitalised words
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> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:56:02PM +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote:
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>> >> From: Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
>> >> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 08:41:32 +0100
>> >>
>> >> I'm having a big problem with new words that are added to abbrev_defs
>> >> if the word I want it to be is capitalised. How can I get emacs to save
>> >> it capitalised please, as its only doing it in lower-case.
>> >
>> > Did you read the doc string of 'define-abbrev'?
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean, so I googled it, which led to [1], [2], and
>> finally [3]. And I'm still not sure what you mean! But this might be what
>> you mean, from my abbrev_defs  -
>
> Just start an Emacs and type C-h f (that is "describe function"). The
> minubuffer asks you for a function name, you type in 'define-abbrev'
> (without the quotes), then ENTER.
>
> Alternatively, via the menu: Help -> Describe... -> Describe Function...
>
> This will lead you to the function's documentation string.
>
> Cheers
> -- t
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> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 14:28:37 +0200
> From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces
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> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 10:51:35AM +0200, Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> If it works like that, why doesn't it keep at
>> it until it gets the authority reply?
>> Perhaps there is a setting for that...
>
> No, caching makes sense. Each DNS record has a
> field stating for how long it is expected to be
> valid (TTL) to ease such decisions.
>
> [...]
>
>> With ads, side- and extension services that
>> aren't free of charge, the accumulation of user
>> data, and so on, there is tons of money
>> in mail.
>
> Big players prefer silos, where they can keep
> their sheep^H^H^H users captive. Watch the instant
> messenger space to see all the anti-patterns of
> the pre-Internet age emerge all over again.
>
>> > Since they can't kill it directly, they
>> > starve it. Spam (and the corresponding
>> > anti-spam measures) are their allies in that.
>>
>> Tin foil hats on everyone :)
>
> Sometimes they are justified. Remember: just because
> you're paranoid it doesn't mean that they aren't after
> you :)
>
>> > There are small mail providers who take
>> > a very affordable amount (here in DE
>> > typically 1EUR/month) and actually know what
>> > they are doing
>>
>> For all their technical superiority, they sure
>> don't charge much...
>
> They don't see their goal in growth, but in providing
> a good service while being financially sustainable.
>
> Cheers
> -- t
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 15:31:36 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
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>> From: Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
>> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
>> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 12:56:02 +0100
>>
>> > Did you read the doc string of 'define-abbrev'?
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean, so I googled it, which led to [1], [2], and
>> finally [3]. And I'm still not sure what you mean!
>
>
> I meant what Emacs shows when you type "C-h f define-abbrev RET".  It
> says this:
>
>   (define-abbrev TABLE NAME EXPANSION &optional HOOK &rest PROPS)
>
>   Define an abbrev in TABLE named NAME, to expand to EXPANSION and call
> HOOK.
>   NAME must be a string, and should be lower-case.
>   EXPANSION should usually be a string.
>
>   [...]
>
>   PROPS is a property list.  The following properties are special:
>   - ?:count?: the value for the abbrev?s usage-count, which is incremented
> each
>     time the abbrev is used (the default is zero).
>   - ?:system?: if non-nil, says that this is a "system" abbreviation
>     which should not be saved in the user?s abbreviation file.
>     Unless ?:system? is ?force?, a system abbreviation will not
>     overwrite a non-system abbreviation of the same name.
>   - ?:case-fixed?: non-nil means that abbreviations are looked up without
>     case-folding, and the expansion is not capitalized/upcased.
>   - ?:enable-function?: a function of no argument which returns non-nil if
> the
>     abbrev should be used for a particular call of ?expand-abbrev?.
>
> Note the ?:case-fixed? part: isn't that what you want?  If so, you
> could modify your abbrev_defs file to make select abbrevs have fixed
> letter-case.
>
>
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