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Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question

From: Dan Espen
Subject: Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 14:52:32 -0400
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux)

Drew Adams <> writes:

>> > If you use a particular Unicode character often, just give its
>> > insertion a command and bind that to a key.  If you have 30 such
>> > chars, put them all on a prefix key.  Or use completion on their
>> > command names (names you created, so easy for you to type, remember,
>> > complete to,...).
>> >
>> > IOW, it's not a big deal to insert Unicode characters, especially
>> > if you insert the same ones over and over.  You do not need to use
>> > `C-x 8 RET' each time.
>> Sorry, that scales up for more than 1 or 2 characters how?
> Well, I doubt that I can convince you.  I can only repeat what I
> suggested.

My mind is made up, but interesting info like how to type Greek
are one reason why I commented at all.  I think keyboards and
keys are an important issue and the current state of the art falls
far short.  Some important keys are completely missing.
are completely MIA.
Other keys just gather dust.  (SysRq, Scroll Lock, Pause/Break,
KP_/, KP_*
What are these designers thinking.

> There is a big difference, I think, between (1) using `C-x 8 RET'
> to complete against zillions of character names (or code points) that
> you might not be familiar with and (2) completing against a relative
> few (5? 10? 50? 150?) char-command names that you yourself came up with.
> My point is that if someone uses relatively few - which, depending on
> the person, could be 5 or 500 (or 5000?) chars, then it can make sense
> to put their insertion on keys (commands).

That's why I asked how many additional characters are proposed for
lets say Python.  More than a few would be a problem.
I put the not sign (¬) on shifted backspace and
still look in my xmodmap file to remember where it is.

>> I already have a little piece of oak tag paper that I've cut out
>> to surround the 6-key pad above the arrow keys.
>> The paper has the legend:
>>            UNDO
>>     -keys-
>>            COPY
>> Yep, even for 5 specially assigned keys, my mind sometimes goes
>> blank and I look at the paper.
> Hey, my mind goes blank too.  But instead of paper I use completion.
> IOW, I ask Emacs for help.

A few of those keys above are for the window manager.
Emacs completion doesn't help.

>> A normal keyboard just isn't designed for a bunch of strange
>> characters.
> Maybe so.  But if you use the euro character a *lot*, for example,
> then you might just consider assigning it a key.  Rather than using
> `C-x 8 RET euro sign RET' each time to insert it.

I'd rather not need the additional characters.

Dan Espen

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