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Re: emacs and beginning of lines


From: Yuri Khan
Subject: Re: emacs and beginning of lines
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 18:31:16 +0700

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Marcin Borkowski <address@hidden> wrote:
> Dnia 2014-09-07, o godz. 23:32:25
> Emanuel Berg <address@hidden> napisaƂ(a):
>
>> Marcin Borkowski <address@hidden> writes:
>>
>> > BTW: back-to-indentation seems to be broken with
>> > visual-line-mode; it doesn't take into consideration,
>> > well, /visual/ lines. One might argue that it is a
>> > feature, but I think this is a bug: I guess that
>> > visual-line-mode is primarily useful for editing
>> > texts in natural languages
>>
>> Yes, primarily that, like in plain text files. (Tho I
>> would recommend filling for that as well, as said.)
>
> If you use a VCS and look at a diff from time to time, filling might
> be a bad idea.  (Though visual-line-mode is not helpful then, either.)
>
>> > (or markup languages, like LaTeX in my case)
>>
>> Secondarily that, but for a .tex file you might as well
>> use auto-fill-mode as when you compile it (into a PDF)
>> that will be treated as unbroken lines.
>
> As above.
>
>> The second complication is that in the .pdf, it may
>> look like this "My friends told me" - say you want to
>> change that to "My associates" or whatever - and you
>> make a search for "My friends" - no hit! Because in the
>> source, it appears at the end of a line and there is a
>> "source line break" (but not PDF line break) right
>> after "My". A regexp search would do it, but it is
>> nothing I would like to do habitually and I wouldn't
>> intuitively think of that right away. Could be
>> automatized, perhaps...
>
> I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Emacs 24.4 solves this...
>
>> Searching for stuff in LaTeX source can actually be
>> tedious for this reason, but on a larger scale as well,
>> because of the markup in general. But for words that
>> are bold, for example, you see they are bold instantly
>> (in the .pdf), but for line breaks it doesn't show that
>> way.
>
> True.
>
>> Is there a LaTeX submode for hiding markup or search
>> function to disregard it?
>
> That would be cool.  Hiding is much easier, AFAIK AUCTeX supports
> that.  Searching might be tricky, though.  (If all you need is
> searching for a sequence of /words/, it would probably make it
> easier.  Also, you could have a second buffer with all your document
> "detexified" and somehow link it to the main one...  A bit of overhead
> with updating it, but probably doable.)
>
>> Those and other reasons is why I always stick to plain
>> text unless for really ambitious documents like thesis
>> and books/manuals that are intended for printing. It is
>> just so much more overhead than the simple and sweet
>> science of putting together plain text files and
>> messages. It is also more honest: if you are a moron,
>> it'll show. There is just no where to hide between
>> fancy markup.
>
> Fair enough.  OTOH, some things are easier to mark up (at least for
> me) in LaTeX than, say, in Org-mode.  But it might be the question of
> experience and my habits...
>
> Best,
>
> --
> Marcin Borkowski
> http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
> Adam Mickiewicz University
>



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