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Re: Emacs mailreader that doesn't move the spool


From: Jude DaShiell
Subject: Re: Emacs mailreader that doesn't move the spool
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 18:07:26 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 22 Oct 2013, Gregory Benjamin wrote:

> Hi Hikaru,
> 
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 07:05:56PM +0000, Hikaru Ichijyo wrote:
> > Every now and then, I consider migrating my mail and news reading to the 
> > wonderful wild world of Emacs, but every time I do, the main thing that 
> > always makes me decide to forget about it is that, as far as I can tell, 
> > there isn't a single Emacs mailreader that doesn't insist on copying 
> > your mailbox into your home directory and leaving it there.
> > 
> > For mail, currently I use Alpine, but I like occasionally using Mutt, 
> > and sometimes even Kmail.  All of these mailreaders have appropriate 
> > file locking mechanisms implemented to make it possible to operate on 
> > the system mailbox in place, in /var/spool/mail or wherever it happens 
> > to be.  Having it this way makes it so that even if I use Alpine most of 
> > the time, I can switch if I like, and the mail is always where it's 
> > expected to be.  Even my shell knows to give me the "You have new mail" 
> > notication by watching the system spool (where else should my mail be?).
> > 
> > Most UNIX newsreaders also seem to have a similar philosophy of sharing, 
> > since they all more or less have agreed to keep read/subscribed article 
> > information in ~/.newsrc, even ones that have more efficient mechanisms 
> > that they use for themselves, so you don't have to stay in one 
> > newsreader.  I mostly use Tin, but I also use Pan, and sometimes SLRN.  
> > None of them lock me in.
> > 
> > I've gone over the documentation for RMAIL, VM, and Gnus, and they all 
> > seem to require moving your mailbox to the home directory, apparently 
> > because none of them can lock the mailbox for exclusive access.  Emacs 
> > seems powerful enough that a kludge could probably be written that puts 
> > your mailbox back the way it was every time you close your mailreader, 
> > but that seems sort of ugly and unnecessary.
> > 
> > I'm strongly leaning toward either VM or Gnus if I did migrate, but I 
> > really want to keep my mailbox where it is.  Is there any way to do 
> > that?
> 
> I'm sorry I cannot offer any help at the moment, but wanted to say two
> things. 
> 
> First, I admire your English writing. Very, very clear and
> well done.
> 
> Second, I too use mutt and would like to move to a mixed mutt/emacs
> environment for mail processing until I'm fully comfortable with the
> emacs solution. I've used rmail a bit, and tried to force myself to
> like it, but mutt is still faster and more capable for me. I cannot
> afford to 'break' email while playing around with rmail, gnus, vm, or
> some other emacs email configuration.

One advantage of having an e-mail spool in the $HOME directory is that 
the $HOME directory is usually lots larger than /var/spool.  This makes 
denial of service attacks a little more difficult and take a little 
longer since the directory capacity is larger and will take longer to 
fill and crash a system.

> > 

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