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Re: Need help for oh-my-emacs.


From: xiaohanyu1988
Subject: Re: Need help for oh-my-emacs.
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:57:52 -0700 (PDT)
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On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:14:29 AM UTC+8, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Xiao Hanyu <address@hidden> writes:
> 
> 
> 
> > Recently, I'm doing a project
> 
> > https://github.com/xiaohanyu/oh-my-emacs, which aims
> 
> > to be a
> 
> > oh-my-zsh(https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh)
> 
> > for Emacs world.
> 
> 
> 
> I don't get any of this, what did you do?!
> 
> 
> 
> A tool to share/synchronize configuration?
> 
> 
> 
> Isn't there the EmacsWiki for that?
> 
> 
> 
> People just need to share their Elisp, that's the bottom
> 
> line. But people don't like that. That's cheating, they
> 
> think. The proper way is to share references to the
> 
> documentation. Ha ha ha! It is funny because it is
> 
> true. Or "sad", I should say.
> 
> 

To tell the truth, I think some code snippets from emacswiki or blogs or google 
is not portable and newbie-friendly. Various elisp code from the web conflicts 
with each other. 
> 
> Sorry, can you just describe the project, more in terms
> 
> of your idea, its goal, etc., and perhaps share some
> 
> screenshots, rather than in terms of the scope of the
> 
> project, etc.?
> 
> 

Hi, I've already write lots of docs about what this project is and its goal, 
please try to read its readme file: 
https://github.com/xiaohanyu/oh-my-emacs/blob/master/README.org .

> 
> > 1. A literate way to keep code and documentation
> 
> > synced, thus get rid of outdated elisp code snippets
> 
> > from google or emacs blogs.  2. Use el-get to manager
> 
> > packages, no need to manage load-path and info doc
> 
> > 3. Self adapted, only install necessary packages when
> 
> > it satisfies the prerequisites.
> 
> 
> 
> OK, so it is a *package manager*, like aptitude or
> 
> apt-get for Debian and the like? Is that really better
> 
> than to just share Elisp?
> 
> 
Definitely sure, a package manager is much more better than sharing code in 
emacswiki or some other places. Here's some references: 
https://github.com/xiaohanyu/oh-my-emacs/blob/master/ome.org#package-management 
.

> 
> > 4. better default settings, lots of eye candy.
> 
> 
> 
> Well... people have different taste. I like Emacs to
> 
> look like a CRT, others like it to look like a book from
> 
> some French fashion publisher... Perhaps we should leave
> 
> that to each, as we will never reach a conclusion, and
> 
> if we try, there will only be bad blood. (This is about
> 
> Emacs. Maybe you referred you your tool? Is that a
> 
> standalone tool or some Emacs mode by the way?)
> 
> 

I know that, so I just provide modules, you can make your own choices.

> 
> > 3. develop new modules for languages that I have no
> 
> > idea of, such as erlang/haskell.
> 
> 
> 
> I did work in both of those languages and there are
> 
> Emacs modes for them. Why would you want new modules?
> 
> 

Emacs already has lots of builtin mode, so why there comes lots of third-party 
packages such as js2-mode, elpy, SLIME, nrepl? Since the builtin mode is not 
powerful, we need third party packages.

> 
> > When things goes well, I'll try to make an official
> 
> > emacs distribution for out-of-box use, see
> 
> > https://github.com/xiaohanyu/oh-my-emacs/issues/16.
> 
> 
> 
> OK, I hate to be a jerk, but
> 
> 
> 
> 1. What problems did you experience with the
> 
> "distribution" of Emacs that you used, prior to
> 
> undertaking this project?
> 
> 
> 
> and
> 
> 
> 
> 2. What made you think that the solution was in a *new*
> 
> distribution, rather than solving the problem *where you
> 
> found it*?
> 
> 

Nobody want to work with plain emacs. oh-my-emacs just provide a basic point. 
Just like no body want to work with plain linux kernel, so there comes 
Ubuntu/Gentoo/Archlinux etc. 

> 
> > The current oh-my-emacs contains 1. about 900 lines of
> 
> > emacs lisp code 2. about 3500 lines of documentation.
> 
> > 3. about 50 powerful el-get packages.
> 
> 
> 
> In three months, you seemed to have worked very, very
> 
> hard on this project. I hope (no irony) you have good
> 
> answers to my questions, but even if you don't, no one
> 
> can take away your work habits and dedication.
> 
> 
> 
> PS. Again, *screenshots* would clarify a lot! DS.
> 
> 
Some screenshots: http://www.douban.com/photos/album/117065634/.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Emanuel Berg, programmer-for-rent. CV, projects, etc at uXu
> 
> underground experts united:  http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573


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